Bali Nine duo now on death row island

[pork911]

uk_vette said:

Imagine if some one planted drugs in your suitcase, then you get searched.

That would take some explanation.

vette

huh?

[V41LEY]

Bad day for death row inmates. Robert Pruett in Texas faces the almighty at midnight if not stayed. He was one of the subjects of that Life and Death Row series on the Beeb. Live radio coverage (anti- death penalty org) on execution watch.org .

Having lived in Singapore until recently, the death penalty did not deter murder or drug trafficking. Unfortunately the Mr Bigs are not the ones involved. Uneducated, poor individuals carry the can. Sentences were always mandatory but recently relaxed to life without parole if you provide 'information'.

[Patrick Bateman]

Backwards and barbaric.

[pete a]

Patrick Bateman said:

Backwards and barbaric.

Maybe, but they did know the risks involved when they chose to smuggles kilos of gear.

You live by it you die by it I'm afraid.

[NordicCrankShaft]

I don't think this will do a lot to deter any trafficking at all.

After spending 2 weeks in Bali last year at the end of 6 months travelling in Asia it makes me laugh, we were getting offered all sorts from the minute we were walking the streets, if the Indonesian government want to do something about the drug problem in Indonesia, how about going out on the streets and arresting the Indonesians openly dealing the drugs to the average Joe on the street, Seriously this stinks!

Also whilst I don't support the death penalty, me and the missus were well aware of what happens to people involved with drugs in this part of the world.

[Oakey]

pete a said:

Maybe, but they did know the risks involved when they chose to smuggles kilos of gear.

You live by it you die by it I'm afraid.

They were smuggling drugs out of Indonesia into Australia.

Maybe the Indonesian government should concentrate on trying to stamp out the source rather than making an example of people trying to export their product?

Brookings said:

With the poor rule of law and the pervasive and deeply-ingrained corruption that exists in the country, Indonesia’s law enforcement and military officials, even more so than their counterparts elsewhere in the world, are perfectly positioned to dominate Indonesia’s drug trade. The dramatic court showcases of Western tourists smuggling drugs aside, examples of military and law enforcement complicity in drug trafficking abound. Rather laughably, officials at one of Indonesia’s high-security prisons, for example, have been caught cooking meth and supplying both the prison and the nearby city.[4] According to U.S. diplomatic cables released by Wikileaks, Indonesian military commanders in West Papua have participated in all manner of smuggling, including drug and timber trafficking across the border with Papua New Guinea.

[shep1001]

V41LEY said:

Bad day for death row inmates. Robert Pruett in Texas faces the almighty at midnight if not stayed. He was one of the subjects of that Life and Death Row series on the Beeb. Live radio coverage (anti- death penalty org) on execution watch.org .

Having lived in Singapore until recently, the death penalty did not deter murder or drug trafficking. Unfortunately the Mr Bigs are not the ones involved. Uneducated, poor individuals carry the can. Sentences were always mandatory but recently relaxed to life without parole if you provide 'information'.

Pruett was already doing 99 years for a murder with his old man before he killed (allegedly) a prison guard that got him a spot on death row. Another pathetic excuse for a human being that won't be missed .

[KFC]

shep1001 said:

Pruett was already doing 99 years for a murder with his old man before he killed (allegedly) a prison guard that got him a spot on death row. Another pathetic excuse for a human being that won't be missed .

I just Googled him to read what he done and his execution has been delayed for DNA tests on the weapon he apparently used. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/28/us-usa-e...

[shep1001]

KFC said:

I just Googled him to read what he done and his execution has been delayed for DNA tests on the weapon he apparently used. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/28/us-usa-e...

They were also looking at/for touch DNA (his I guess) on the report filed against him, that was torn up and left by the dead officers body, which he claims he was set up for.

[thehawk]

rich85uk said:

What's wrong with aiming for the head to ensure an instant death, and the whole build up just seems cruel

It should result in pretty much instant unconsciousness with the sudden loss of blood pressure, it's a quick way to die. Plenty of people with cancer and other terminal diseases that don't get this luxury.

And you really think the relatives want them to have their faces disfigured and blown apart?

[phumy]

I have worked in Indonesia for three and half years now and have flown in and out of the country on many, many occasions and its not as if you wouldn`t know about the tough drug laws and the consequences. There are notices in all airports in many languages in Indonesia, you get told before you board the plane that takes you to Indonesia, you get told on the plane before it takes off, you also get told once again on the plane before it lands, that it is an offence to bring drugs into the country and can be punishable by death. So its not as if anyone would be un aware of the facts.

According to the news today the deed has been carried out.

[alfaman]

V41LEY said:

Bad day for death row inmates. Robert Pruett in Texas faces the almighty at midnight if not stayed. He was one of the subjects of that Life and Death Row series on the Beeb. Live radio coverage (anti- death penalty org) on execution watch.org .

Having lived in Singapore until recently, the death penalty did not deter murder or drug trafficking. Unfortunately the Mr Bigs are not the ones involved. Uneducated, poor individuals carry the can. Sentences were always mandatory but recently relaxed to life without parole if you provide 'information'.

I dont support the death penalty for drug smuggling .. It seems very lop sided how the low level traffickers can end of on death row in various 'developed' Asian countries .. whereas ( allegedly ) the "Mr Big" crime bosses who have made $ millions from illicit activities (allegedly) bring loads of cash into the 'developed'/ small nation parts of Asia to buy up property and investments with few questions asked.

smuggler > 'gallows next week mate'

drug king pin > 'we want your cash'

[Jader1973]

The Goverment response here is interesting. They are ranting and raving about the death penalty being wrong, and withdrawing the ambassador.

However, I wonder if they'll state their views the next time they are speaking to the US or Chinese leadership?

I've been here 8 years and I've only heard of these 2 in the last couple of months. Seems everyone was happy for them to be on death row, and only got vocal when they realised it was going to happen.

Can't help feeling there wouldn't be the same uproar if an Australian on death row in the US was about to get executed.

[PomBstard]

Jader1973 said:

The Goverment response here is interesting. They are ranting and raving about the death penalty being wrong, and withdrawing the ambassador.

However, I wonder if they'll state their views the next time they are speaking to the US or Chinese leadership?

I've been here 8 years and I've only heard of these 2 in the last couple of months. Seems everyone was happy for them to be on death row, and only got vocal when they realised it was going to happen.

Can't help feeling there wouldn't be the same uproar if an Australian on death row in the US was about to get executed.

Lets not forget that the Govt here is almost complicit in their executions. IIRC, the AFP tipped off the Indonesians that the smuggling was about to take place. If they'd let them get on the plane, and then picked them up when they touched down in Aus, all this would have been avoided, and the AFP could've given itself another pat the back for stopping the War on Drugs.

[anonymous-user]

I have property in Indonesia and an Indonesian family so unlike most of the comments on here I know a bit about it, the huge majority of Indonesians agree with it, they knew the risks and no one has ever claimed they were innocent, so the corruptions argument fails. If there is disagreement on capital sentences then the answer is to fight the principle because all these claims of conversion do is make people more determined. So if the Aussies feel that strongly about it then I suggest they start a dialog tomorrow on the principle.
When i first moved to S A Asia (20 years ago) I had heard all the stories of people being duped into drug smuggling, but I've never heard of a single case that stood even a preliminary examination, these people are guilty and they knew what would happen.

[anonymous-user]

Jader1973 said:

The Goverment response here is interesting. They are ranting and raving about the death penalty being wrong, and withdrawing the ambassador.

However, I wonder if they'll state their views the next time they are speaking to the US or Chinese leadership?

I've been here 8 years and I've only heard of these 2 in the last couple of months. Seems everyone was happy for them to be on death row, and only got vocal when they realised it was going to happen.

Can't help feeling there wouldn't be the same uproar if an Australian on death row in the US was about to get executed.

Aren't there also issues about bribery and the legal process regarding appeals not being carried out correctly?

[pork911]

NordicCrankShaft said:

I don't think this will do a lot to deter any trafficking at all.

After spending 2 weeks in Bali last year at the end of 6 months travelling in Asia it makes me laugh, we were getting offered all sorts from the minute we were walking the streets, if the Indonesian government want to do something about the drug problem in Indonesia, how about going out on the streets and arresting the Indonesians openly dealing the drugs to the average Joe on the street, Seriously this stinks!

Also whilst I don't support the death penalty, me and the missus were well aware of what happens to people involved with drugs in this part of the world.

two WHOLE weeks?

[gruffalo]

alfaman said:

V41LEY said:

Bad day for death row inmates. Robert Pruett in Texas faces the almighty at midnight if not stayed. He was one of the subjects of that Life and Death Row series on the Beeb. Live radio coverage (anti- death penalty org) on execution watch.org .

Having lived in Singapore until recently, the death penalty did not deter murder or drug trafficking. Unfortunately the Mr Bigs are not the ones involved. Uneducated, poor individuals carry the can. Sentences were always mandatory but recently relaxed to life without parole if you provide 'information'.

I dont support the death penalty for drug smuggling .. It seems very lop sided how the low level traffickers can end of on death row in various 'developed' Asian countries .. whereas ( allegedly ) the "Mr Big" crime bosses who have made $ millions from illicit activities (allegedly) bring loads of cash into the 'developed'/ small nation parts of Asia to buy up property and investments with few questions asked.

smuggler > 'gallows next week mate'

drug king pin > 'we want your cash'

But they weren't low level traffickers, especially not the Austrailians, they were the ring leaders who were happy to trade misery and death in return for cash.

I struggle to find sympathy for them, how would you feel about them if you found your daughter on the floor dead with a needle in her arm dead from injecting drugs imported by these people and paid for by her getting screwed by all and sundry in return for a fix.

That is the reality of what they were doing.

[Cheese Mechanic]

Ayahuasca said:

Don't they use M60 belt fed machine guns? So n x 7.62mm rounds.

I thought that, but apparently not it seems, it may be the Thais who use the M60 method.

[Axionknight]

pork911 said:

two WHOLE weeks?

Ever been to such a place? Getting your hands on a bit of gear is not hard, especially if you visit some of the less salubrious areas, finding a willing seller certainly wouldn't take two weeks anyway.

Two weeks might not give you a deep insight into just how bad things are but it's enough to make you realise just how easy acquiring drugs is.