Why the PH hatred of Call Me Dave?
Discussion
longblackcoat said:
I'm unlikely to vote for him, as he's a Conservative and I'm not.
Whether you'll be voting for him or not he's Conservative only in terms of the label. The goods are a different matter. No Conservative with half a clue would cosy up to Green so-called principles when the Green movement has been taken over by, and represents the ideals of, ultraleftists. Then again he's a politician PPE merchant so can be expected to be not only clueless on matters outside PR politics but equally so on who to listen to in areas where he is relatively or indeed largely ignorant.longblackcoat said:
Despite that, I like the guy. He means well, took on his party on gay marriage, and has made the best fist of a s
tty economy and having to deal with a coalition. He's a bit shouty at PMQs but that goes with the territory.
If non-Tories like the guy but won't vote for him then if anything that's another nail in his coffin.tty economy and having to deal with a coalition. He's a bit shouty at PMQs but that goes with the territory.longblackcoat said:
As for the Eton/Oxford background; why should I care?
Totally agree - it's irrelevant of itself. What he's doing with it is another matter, it hasn't given him much of a clue as to what Conservative voters expect from the Conservative Party as he's presided over a shift to the left and large numbers of voters who previously voted Conservative have gone over to UKIP.longblackcoat said:
He's a bright guy who could earn a fortune elsewhere...
As a result of his political career maybe, but that simply draws another parallel with that prime snake oil salseman Bliar.longblackcoat said:
...in any case seems to have sufficient private means to never need to work. But he still puts himself through it.
Then what a silly sausage he is, he's not doing the Conservatives any good, though having an iota of Conservatism in the Coalition has, as you said, made for a reasonable stab at improving the country's economy after the most recent Labour success story - they were successful as usual in wrecking the economy while helping out the top 1% of earners.oyster said:
In all seriousness, what is it so many PH'ers seem to dislike so much about Cameron? Particularly as he still has the support of the vast majority of the Tory party. It's not like he's suddenly become a one-nation Tory overnight - he has always been one.
In fact so much dislike that it appears (on the surface at least) that some people would prefer Labour to win in order to teach him a lesson.
In my opinion he's done a decent job in the last 5 years against some pretty terrible circumstances (a coalition with a left-of-centre party and an enormous structural and cyclical deficit left behind by Labour). The economy is on the mend without excessive credit stimulus and he's even improved the social fabric with things like gay marriage.
he's not powerfully built In fact so much dislike that it appears (on the surface at least) that some people would prefer Labour to win in order to teach him a lesson.
In my opinion he's done a decent job in the last 5 years against some pretty terrible circumstances (a coalition with a left-of-centre party and an enormous structural and cyclical deficit left behind by Labour). The economy is on the mend without excessive credit stimulus and he's even improved the social fabric with things like gay marriage.
he hasn't got a goattee
he's not a rabid libertarian
he's not a borderline sociopath
he's not an isolationist
he doesn't think that he can win at EU negotiations by SPEAKING VERY LOUDLY IN ENGLISH to get his point across
he doesn't fellate Barry O'Bama
he's not powerfully built
he hasn't got a goattee
Tee hee.
he's not a rabid libertarian
he's not a borderline sociopath
he's not an isolationist
Neither are traditional Conservative voters, as folk well know.
he doesn't think that he can win at EU negotiations by SPEAKING VERY LOUDLY IN ENGLISH to get his point across
ISWYM
but actually he almost does...remember the table banging and jaw jutting?
he doesn't fellate Barry O'Bama
That's one of his good points but alone it's not enough.
he hasn't got a goattee
Tee hee.
he's not a rabid libertarian
he's not a borderline sociopath
he's not an isolationist
Neither are traditional Conservative voters, as folk well know.
he doesn't think that he can win at EU negotiations by SPEAKING VERY LOUDLY IN ENGLISH to get his point across
ISWYM
but actually he almost does...remember the table banging and jaw jutting?he doesn't fellate Barry O'Bama
That's one of his good points but alone it's not enough.
His promise to re-negotiate our terms of membership of the EU are totally disingenuous. He cannot repatriate any powers to Britain, and he knows this. The reason that he cannot achieve his stated aim is quite simple. It can be found in the Treaty of Rome. You don't have to spend much time studying the treaty to find the problem. All you need to do is read the first bit of the first sentence.
Here it is:-
Any repatriation of powers would breach the Treaty, and therefore they cannot happen. They would be illegal.
So, Dave knows that he cannot succeed in his "re-negotiation". He is trying to con traditional Tories.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - shame on me".
Here it is:-
First sentence of the Treaty of Rome 1957 said:
HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF THE BELGIANS,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN REPUBLIC,
HER ROYAL HIGHNESS THE GRAND DUCHESS OF LUXEMBOURG,
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS,
DETERMINED
to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of
Europe,
Since 1957, every change has been in pursuit of this goal - "ever closer union". Powers have never been handed back to member states, they have always shifted towards Brussels. Dave knows this, and yet he is allowing Conservative supporters to think that he will take some powers back!THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF GERMANY,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRENCH REPUBLIC,
THE PRESIDENT OF THE ITALIAN REPUBLIC,
HER ROYAL HIGHNESS THE GRAND DUCHESS OF LUXEMBOURG,
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN OF THE NETHERLANDS,
DETERMINED
to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of
Europe,
Any repatriation of powers would breach the Treaty, and therefore they cannot happen. They would be illegal.
So, Dave knows that he cannot succeed in his "re-negotiation". He is trying to con traditional Tories.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - shame on me".
He is a fake.
He stands for nothing, has no convictions, believes in nothing. Full of contradictions.
He is a relic from the pre-social media and widespread technology age where a politician could get away with being as such, but now everything is recorded, every promise remembered and sound bites don't cut it- just yesterday he repeated nothing but " I am clearing the logjam" in an interview of his chicken position, I mean WTF
He stands for nothing, has no convictions, believes in nothing. Full of contradictions.
He is a relic from the pre-social media and widespread technology age where a politician could get away with being as such, but now everything is recorded, every promise remembered and sound bites don't cut it- just yesterday he repeated nothing but " I am clearing the logjam" in an interview of his chicken position, I mean WTF
longblackcoat said:
As for the Eton/Oxford background; why should I care?He's a bright guy who could earn a fortune elsewhere and in any case seems to have sufficient private means to never need to work. But he still puts himself through it.
Can I get a whoosh parrot for the poster above?Its not about the cash, people quit higher paid jobs to enter politics.
The power, prestige and a place in history books is priceless. Its the leadership of one of the largest countries in the world.
CMD used to be a pro-legalize back bencher when it came to marijuana.
Guy then back pedals showing you his true metal.
Long given up smoking it, but i feel that someone needs to take a more clever approach to this subject.
But, like all people in career politics, it's not about you and your own views linking up with that of the voter populace, it's about bed feathering and trickery.
Guy then back pedals showing you his true metal.
Long given up smoking it, but i feel that someone needs to take a more clever approach to this subject.
But, like all people in career politics, it's not about you and your own views linking up with that of the voter populace, it's about bed feathering and trickery.
Because he's a spinless tt with no vision, and he doesn't give a st about anyone who isn't in the top 5%.
That includes tory voting pensioners, tory voting top rate tax payers, tory voting parents whose kids don't go to a fee paying school, anyone that might get ill, and have to use the NHS.
Basically the only reason anyone will vote for him, is that there is no viable alternative to the little st.
t with no vision, and he doesn't give a st about anyone who isn't in the top 5%. That includes tory voting pensioners, tory voting top rate tax payers, tory voting parents whose kids don't go to a fee paying school, anyone that might get ill, and have to use the NHS.
Basically the only reason anyone will vote for him, is that there is no viable alternative to the little s
t. Adrian W said:
Probably because he...believes with every bone in his body that poor people must stay poor and the wealthy must by any means possible become richer
As a non-fan of CMD all I can say is not really - but apart from that the snipped bit of your comment has, unfortunately, a ring of truth to it. He thinks he's a schemer but his schemes don't amount to much.turbobloke said:
he's not powerfully built
he hasn't got a goattee
Tee hee.
he's not a rabid libertarian
he's not a borderline sociopath
he's not an isolationist
Neither are traditional Conservative voters, as folk well know.
he doesn't think that he can win at EU negotiations by SPEAKING VERY LOUDLY IN ENGLISH to get his point across
ISWYM but actually he almost does...remember the table banging and jaw jutting?
he doesn't fellate Barry O'Bama
That's one of his good points but alone it's not enough.
the list was why PHers don't like him and it's playing up to the PHer stereotypes powerfully built / goattee/ red bull frozen sauages / libertarian / in love with the american dream /he hasn't got a goattee
Tee hee.
he's not a rabid libertarian
he's not a borderline sociopath
he's not an isolationist
Neither are traditional Conservative voters, as folk well know.
he doesn't think that he can win at EU negotiations by SPEAKING VERY LOUDLY IN ENGLISH to get his point across
ISWYM
but actually he almost does...remember the table banging and jaw jutting?he doesn't fellate Barry O'Bama
That's one of his good points but alone it's not enough.
Yazar said:
He is a fake.
He stands for nothing, has no convictions, believes in nothing.
And at the same he is criticised for things like keeping spending money on foreign aidHe stands for nothing, has no convictions, believes in nothing.
It would undoubtedly be politically popular. But he doesn't. Might that be because of his own convictions? If not why is it?
In truth his policies are in general true to conservative history.
They just aren't the convictions or the policies that some very vocal members on here would like. He is undoubtedly on the pro-EU side of the fence, but in truth the Tory party has been (overall) for a long time. He is in favour of green policies, but the Tories tend to side with science so no surprise. He is in favour of business (and hence EU).
The list goes on
JustAnotherLogin said:
And at the same he is criticised for things like keeping spending money on foreign aid
It would undoubtedly be politically popular. But he doesn't. Might that be because of his own convictions? If not why is it?
In truth his policies are in general true to conservative history.
They just aren't the convictions or the policies that some very vocal members on here would like. He is undoubtedly on the pro-EU side of the fence, but in truth the Tory party has been (overall) for a long time. He is in favour of green policies, but the Tories tend to side with science so no surprise. He is in favour of business (and hence EU).
The list goes on
Especially when it comes to offering a referendum on the EU, It would undoubtedly be politically popular. But he doesn't. Might that be because of his own convictions? If not why is it?
In truth his policies are in general true to conservative history.
They just aren't the convictions or the policies that some very vocal members on here would like. He is undoubtedly on the pro-EU side of the fence, but in truth the Tory party has been (overall) for a long time. He is in favour of green policies, but the Tories tend to side with science so no surprise. He is in favour of business (and hence EU).
The list goes on
and your post is on PH not CIF for example.JustAnotherLogin said:
And at the same he is criticised for things like keeping spending money on foreign aid
Its not foreign aid.It is a country that used to be an empire ensuring its legalised bribes are set in stone, to maintain its weakening influence. Something that will have been lobbied hard for by party donors at anonymous supper clubs.
He has stoked the housing market with loads of "get on the ladder Ponzi schemes," which has screwed loads of FTBs off the ladder and blown property prices sky high.
He has virtually written off a generation's aspirations in an attempt at buying votes from property investors and the older House owning generation.
On another point, the tt couldn't even keep his mouth shut about his conversations with the queen.
I would have thought that he would have been sensible and respectful enough not to gob off like this. The guy cannot be trusted.
He should have been able to have walked the last election, in the face of Labour's calamity, but he couldn't even do that.
He has virtually written off a generation's aspirations in an attempt at buying votes from property investors and the older House owning generation.
On another point, the t
t couldn't even keep his mouth shut about his conversations with the queen. I would have thought that he would have been sensible and respectful enough not to gob off like this. The guy cannot be trusted.
He should have been able to have walked the last election, in the face of Labour's calamity, but he couldn't even do that.
Claudia Skies said:
Sounds to me as though Cameron is prudent to distance himself from the PH crew, TBH.
from the powerfully built be -goatteed borderline sociopath rabid libertarians - al most certainly they are a far better fit with what Farage purports UKIP to be ( rather than it's slightly seedier 'real support' of xenophobes , homophobes and jingoists) in that respect UKIP and labour share the same issue - the disconnect between the public face of the party and what the core support want ( and what many activitists want - e.g. Labour and being beholden to Unison etc )Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff