Jeremy Clarkson suspended by BBC...

[CAFEDEAD]

chrispmartha said:

CAFEDEAD said:

Until ITV offer him £15 million. I'd imagine the publicity of this, sooner or later, will pay off if he wants it to.

The last thing any Tope Gear fan would want is for the same kind of show to go on ITV, the production value will plummet

I doubt it. But even if it did, that's something of a tangent to the level of punishment for Clarkson. They still have money.

[Cheese Mechanic]

otolith said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

We even have Janet Street Porter slating the BBC mightily for its total disconnect from the vast majority of those who pay its license fee under the watching eye of the law.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013946/Ar...

That is a remarkable set of opinions to come out of Janet Street Porter's pen. For one thing, she's pretty left-leaning herself, and for another she loathes Clarkson;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1322974/...

The fact that she appears to be willing to set those things aside in standing up for people getting the kind of programming they want rather than what the Guardian set think they should get really surprises me.

Entirely agree, the reason I posted it. Had to do a double take myself initially.

This entire scenario has been a cataclysmic fk up for and by the BBC , just about everyone can see so, aside themselves it seems.

[mph1977]

otolith said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

We even have Janet Street Porter slating the BBC mightily for its total disconnect from the vast majority of those who pay its license fee under the watching eye of the law.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013946/Ar...

That is a remarkable set of opinions to come out of Janet Street Porter's pen. For one thing, she's pretty left-leaning herself, and for another she loathes Clarkson;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1322974/...

The fact that she appears to be willing to set those things aside in standing up for people getting the kind of programming they want rather than what the Guardian set think they should get really surprises me.

JS-P despite some of her more ludicrous outpourings understands the fundamental point of freedom of expression etc - that there is considerable latitude as long as you aren't impinging on others.

the Authoritarian left and the wrap around to the far right ( if you must use a linear left - right political spectrum i'm going to bend the ends round to meet believe they know best and that opponenets of the State must be expelled or crushed .

the powerfully built PHer Sociopathic (right)libertarians are very much of the opinion what they want to do is fine and who cares if it impacts adversely on the plebs; it's their fault for being plebs ...

[chrispmartha]

Cheese Mechanic said:

This entire scenario has been a cataclysmic fk up for and by the BBC , just about everyone can see so, aside themselves it seems.

No, the 'fk up' as you eloquently put it, was a certain Mr Clarkson punching a colleague because he couldn't get a steak.

[anonymous-user]

Cheese Mechanic said:

This entire scenario has been a cataclysmic fk up for and by the BBC , just about everyone can see so, aside themselves it seems.

Has it? They conducted an investigation and made a reasonable decision in extremely high-profile circumstances.

[turbobloke]

mph1977 said:

the powerfully built PHer Sociopathic (right)libertarians are very much of the opinion what they want to do is fine and who cares if it impacts adversely on the plebs; it's their fault for being plebs ...

Sounds like you got a new job patrolling the entry-exit gates to Downing Street.

Beware of cyclists!

[The Hypno-Toad]

Just a quick thought

Alan Davies? Bit a tramp on the ear (didn't press charges)? Still doing QI?

[Cheese Mechanic]

chrispmartha said:

No, the 'fk up' as you eloquently put it, was a certain Mr Clarkson punching a colleague because he couldn't get a steak.

So why, as example , has Oisin Tymon been seen to be in the public glare? Appalling, treatment of him, his privacy thrown to the wolves. As for the fk up, yes,this could have involved many original sources, others than Clarkson, the fk up is the BBC's handling of the event, not the specific event itself.

People in the industry have expressed such since day one. Easy to see why.

[Alucidnation]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

My understanding was that they hadn't "come to town" but were staying in some country hotel in the middle of nowhere. I will take a punt that had they been staying in Central London, they probably would have been able to source a steak at 10pm.

I think he did have his steak in the end, but had to get all punchy to get it.

Sitting on the fence here, from the minute he started getting all shouty, surely the producer would have a word with the hotel to get it sorted, even if it cost the production crew more for the hassle they would cause.

And i mean seriously, you would have thought they would have tried to accommodate a TV personality as im sure they may not have had anyone famous stay before. Maybe?

[turbobloke]

C4 News recently reported that the Producer has told police he doesn't want to press charges.

[Cheese Mechanic]

La Liga said:

as it? They conducted an investigation and made a reasonable decision in extremely high-profile circumstances.

So what was Oisin Tymon hung out to dry, why was his name released at all? (as example)

Fact is, all this could have been dealt with quietly and professionally, it has not been.

[Einion Yrth]

turbobloke said:

C4 News recently reported that the Producer has told police he doesn't want to press charges.

Since, it would seem, he had already received tweeted death threats, I am unsurprised.

[turbobloke]

Einion Yrth said:

turbobloke said:

C4 News recently reported that the Producer has told police he doesn't want to press charges.

Since, it would seem, he had already received tweeted death threats, I am unsurprised.

In which case police can now move their attention from TG to Twitter.

[TTwiggy]

Cheese Mechanic said:

La Liga said:

as it? They conducted an investigation and made a reasonable decision in extremely high-profile circumstances.

So what was Oisin Tymon hung out to dry, why was his name released at all? (as example)

Fact is, all this could have been dealt with quietly and professionally, it has not been.

And if his name, or any other details of his identity or job had been kept quiet then the conspiracy theorist on here would have had a field day. 'Why can't the beeb name the person who got punched? Because nobody WAS punched! Those commies at the BBC just wanted to get rid of JC' etc, etc, etc.

[Seight_Returns]

turbobloke said:

C4 News recently reported that the Producer has told police he doesn't want to press charges.

Whilst the wishes of a victim of an assault are generally taken into account when deciding when to prosecute - this doesn't mean that a prosecution won't take place.

If there's a case to answer, a reasonable chance that a prosecution will succeed and a prosecution is viewed by the CPS to be in the public interest, he'll be prosecuted regardless.

Edited by Seight_Returns on Friday 27th March 12:42

[turbobloke]

Seight_Returns said:

turbobloke said:

C4 News recently reported that the Producer has told police he doesn't want to press charges.

Whilst the wishes of a victim of an assault are generally taken into account when deciding to prosecute - this doesn't mean that a prosecution won't take place.

On that score: NYPD, yes that one, has already spoken to some potential witnesses, and the force has said it's still investigating the incident. A spokesman is reported to have said "Inquiries are ongoing."

Meanwhile, two major companies (Sky and Channel 4) are understood to have ruled out working with Clarkson. ITV refused to comment on "a BBC issue". So, ITV it is then

[otolith]

mph1977 said:

JS-P despite some of her more ludicrous outpourings understands the fundamental point of freedom of expression etc - that there is considerable latitude as long as you aren't impinging on others.

I suspect that the difference between her and the Islington lefty set she criticises is that she actually likes poor people.

mph1977 said:

the powerfully built PHer Sociopathic (right)libertarians are very much of the opinion what they want to do is fine and who cares if it impacts adversely on the plebs; it's their fault for being plebs ...

It's quite easy to tell the genuine libertarians from those who just want things their own way - take a look at any smoking thread.

[Stig]

chrispmartha said:

The last thing any Tope Gear fan would want is for the same kind of show to go on ITV, the production value will plummet

Given how the show is created and the control therein that Clarkson and Wilman have on it, can you elaborate on why this should be so?

Edited by Stig on Friday 27th March 13:02

[Jimbo0912]

NoNeed said:

Jimbo0912 said:

For all the Clarkson bum chums on here, just a few questions:

- Who spent the afternoon/evening getting pissed up in a pub?
- Who delayed the helicopter for over 3 hours at huge expense?
- Who turned up too late for hot food even though he knew previously at what time the chef closed the kitchen?
- Who drunkenly hurled expletives and threw his toys out of the pram like a giant f**king baby when he didn't get his way?
- Who punched a colleague in the face in front of over a dozen witnesses?
- Who behaved in a completely unprofessional manner?

And what employer allowed all that to happen?

What employer allowed at least five of those things you mention to become the norm?

Punching a colleague is wrong, I don't know anybody who says differently but lets be clear here, the Beeb did for Clarkson to hide it's own failings as an employer, the bloke that went off after Clarkson had a go obviously got enough people worried about their own positions with claims of maybe stress/harassment/bullying e.t.c to make somebody concerned enough to tip Clarkson off. He then turned himself in maybe to try and get in first, he was wrong to do what he did and many many people have been waiting for him to cross the line properly rather than putting a foot over the line to wind people up as they now can have a go.

The beeb failed miserably in the duty as an employer have have failed for many decades and doing Clarkson was more about hiding their failings than actually trying to put them right.

Oh, so it's all the BBC's fault for Jeremy Clarkson behaving like a drunken, abusive bellend?! How could I not see it?!!!!! The BBC should of course be held 100% responsible for Jezz lad going into a pub, getting pissed, coming back to the hotel too late, bullying a colleague when he wasn't offered a hot steak and then punching him in the face. Jez is innocent, BBC is guilty.


Seriously though, your response is actually the most idiotic I've seen in this 250+page thread which is a winning achievement! Well done.

[irocfan]

chrispmartha said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

This entire scenario has been a cataclysmic fk up for and by the BBC , just about everyone can see so, aside themselves it seems.

No, the 'fk up' as you eloquently put it, was a certain Mr Clarkson punching a colleague because he couldn't get a steak.

Has it been established it was a punch then?