Jeremy Clarkson suspended by BBC...
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Ari said:
rumpelstiltskin said:
Jesus,somebody had to mention that fat dyke trollop(i'd like to point out i have nothing against dykes or trollops) with 8 year old private school boys hair.Seemingly the only female in the world that is capable of presenting eh?,anything!!
What a nasty cheap shot.Presumably you're f
king gorgeous... 
Randy Winkman said:
Ari said:
rumpelstiltskin said:
Jesus,somebody had to mention that fat dyke trollop(i'd like to point out i have nothing against dykes or trollops) with 8 year old private school boys hair.Seemingly the only female in the world that is capable of presenting eh?,anything!!
What a nasty cheap shot.Presumably you're f
king gorgeous... TKF said:
don4l said:
The BBC is not a profit making organisation.
They run a surplus of over £150m/yrIf you could be bothered to back up your "gut feeling" by spending 5 minutes searching for the words "BBC accounts" you'd know the numbers.
BBC said:
The BBC reflects the UK’s many communities, promoting awareness of different cultures and
viewpoints, but also brings audiences together for shared experiences.
...and this:-viewpoints, but also brings audiences together for shared experiences.
BBC said:
The BBC supports a global understanding of international issues and broadens UK audiences’
experience of different cultures.
and this:- experience of different cultures.
BBC said:
Better reflect the different nations, regions and communities
Dear God, is this what we want from a state broadcaster? Social engineering?Why should the License fee not be reduced if they don't need all of it?
K
If you could be bothered to back up your "gut feeling" by spending 5 minutes searching for the words "BBC accounts" you'd know the numbers.I took your advice, and this is what I found:-
Why should the License fee not be reduced if they don't need all of it?This was the first link when I did a search. The profit is clearly displayed for fy2012/2013
http://www.bbcworldwide.com/annual-review/annual-r...
The other stuff you quote is probably in here as well, if you look for it.
don4l said:
TKF said:
don4l said:
The BBC is not a profit making organisation.
They run a surplus of over £150m/yrIf you could be bothered to back up your "gut feeling" by spending 5 minutes searching for the words "BBC accounts" you'd know the numbers.
BBC said:
The BBC reflects the UK’s many communities, promoting awareness of different cultures and
viewpoints, but also brings audiences together for shared experiences.
...and this:-viewpoints, but also brings audiences together for shared experiences.
BBC said:
The BBC supports a global understanding of international issues and broadens UK audiences’
experience of different cultures.
and this:- experience of different cultures.
BBC said:
Better reflect the different nations, regions and communities
Dear God, is this what we want from a state broadcaster? Social engineering?Why should the License fee not be reduced if they don't need all of it?
http://www.bbcworldwide.com/annual-review/annual-r...
The other stuff you quote is probably in here as well, if you look for it.
don4l said:
Hello Countdown and pincher.
Countdown, the figures that you quoted for the NHS and Home Office are based on salaries alone. I'm not sure about the Academy (£60,000 seems high for an average salary in a school).
Don4l - no, they're not. The figures I quoted were the total running costs of the hospital /NDPB/Academy. I was trying to show that your statement (average cost for employee is a "large" organisation" is £100k) is massively overstated. Unless the average salary in this "organisation" was £70k+ the total cost per employee will not be £100kCountdown, the figures that you quoted for the NHS and Home Office are based on salaries alone. I'm not sure about the Academy (£60,000 seems high for an average salary in a school).
don4l said:
There are lots of other costs associated with employing people. There is rent, rates electricity and heating. People need to be housed in a comfortable environment. Then there are equipment costs. PC's, mobile phones, desks and chairs.
I know. The management accounts staff who work for me spend 2 months every year working all this out. Let me give you one example; we lease office premises in London @£500k per annum. 100 employees are based there. So the cost per employee is £5k. And thats easily the single biggest cost outside of salary and indirect staff costs.don4l said:
My gut feel is that this all adds up to about £100,000 per employee.
The BBC is not a profit making organisation. So, if it loses £50m, then it must make cuts. You will undoubtedly suggest that they can make cuts in other areas, but if the can then they should do so anyway. They cannot increase the license fee before 2017.
BTW, I didn't start out with 500 jobs and work backwards. The £100k figure is one that I assumed because I am aware of the costs in my own business.
If those figures are based on your own personal experience could you perhaps break it down for me (salary, rent , rates etc). I'm genuinely curious as to how any large organisation can spend an average of £100k per employee (I assume this figure excludes cost of sales?) The BBC is not a profit making organisation. So, if it loses £50m, then it must make cuts. You will undoubtedly suggest that they can make cuts in other areas, but if the can then they should do so anyway. They cannot increase the license fee before 2017.
BTW, I didn't start out with 500 jobs and work backwards. The £100k figure is one that I assumed because I am aware of the costs in my own business.
With regards to the BBC and the supposed mass unemployment; it's been stated that JC and his colleagues may decamp to another broadcaster and make pots more money. If they are able to change jobs who's to say other members of the production team aren't? The Beeb aren't the only maker of TV programmes....
Edited by Countdown on Monday 30th March 21:22
longblackcoat said:
There will not be a £50m loss. Firstly, it doesn't make £50m annual profit on a net basis, and secondly, it certainly doesn't make this from each new series. So you'll continue to run stuff on Dave, and sell packages around the world. And its the back catalogue that generates a very large proportion of the income.
Where it would get expensive is if there's no replacement, or there's a replacement that crashes and burns. If the Top Gear brand is totally destroyed then yes, you'd have a big hole in the BBC Worldwide accounts. But we're a very long way from that at present.
This ^^^^.Where it would get expensive is if there's no replacement, or there's a replacement that crashes and burns. If the Top Gear brand is totally destroyed then yes, you'd have a big hole in the BBC Worldwide accounts. But we're a very long way from that at present.
What some people "hope" will happen to the Beeb doesn't seem to be backed up by facts.
don4l said:
There are lots of other costs associated with employing people. There is rent, rates electricity and heating. People need to be housed in a comfortable environment. Then there are equipment costs. PC's, mobile phones, desks and chairs.
I know. The management accounts staff who work for me spend 2 months every year working all this out. Let me give you one example; we lease office premises in London @£500k per annum. 100 employees are based there. So the cost per employee is £1k. And thats easily the single biggest cost outside of salary and indirect staff costs..Sway said:
McWigglebum4th said:
TTwiggy said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Don't think so
I think the beeb have killed topgear with great delight
Clarkson killed Top Gear. HTHI think the beeb have killed topgear with great delight
if the beeb wanted it to continue they could of quickly and easily dropped in A.N.Other into the role
Instead they are busily taking all the sets to pieces and skipping them
Topgear as we know it has gone
Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
don4l said:
There are lots of other costs associated with employing people. There is rent, rates electricity and heating. People need to be housed in a comfortable environment. Then there are equipment costs. PC's, mobile phones, desks and chairs.
I know. The management accounts staff who work for me spend 2 months every year working all this out. Let me give you one example; we lease office premises in London @£500k per annum. 100 employees are based there. So the cost per employee is £1k. And thats easily the single biggest cost outside of salary and indirect staff costs..
Thank you
Eta : I assume you mean doesn't ... Otherwise we're as bad as each other!
Edited by Countdown on Monday 30th March 21:24
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Countdown said:
longblackcoat said:
There will not be a £50m loss. Firstly, it doesn't make £50m annual profit on a net basis, and secondly, it certainly doesn't make this from each new series. So you'll continue to run stuff on Dave, and sell packages around the world. And its the back catalogue that generates a very large proportion of the income.
Where it would get expensive is if there's no replacement, or there's a replacement that crashes and burns. If the Top Gear brand is totally destroyed then yes, you'd have a big hole in the BBC Worldwide accounts. But we're a very long way from that at present.
This ^^^^.Where it would get expensive is if there's no replacement, or there's a replacement that crashes and burns. If the Top Gear brand is totally destroyed then yes, you'd have a big hole in the BBC Worldwide accounts. But we're a very long way from that at present.
What some people "hope" will happen to the Beeb doesn't seem to be backed up by facts.
It will be interesting to see what the continuation Top Gear looks like, and if it is dire, it will be amusing to see the usual suspects trying to say they see a shine on a turd.
Countdown said:
don4l said:
Hello Countdown and pincher.
Countdown, the figures that you quoted for the NHS and Home Office are based on salaries alone. I'm not sure about the Academy (£60,000 seems high for an average salary in a school).
Don4l - no, they're not. The figures I quoted were the total running costs of the hospital /NDPB/Academy. I was trying to show that your statement (average cost for employee is a "large" organisation" is £100k) is massively overstated. Unless the average salary in this "organisation" was £70k+ the total cost per employee will not be £100kCountdown, the figures that you quoted for the NHS and Home Office are based on salaries alone. I'm not sure about the Academy (£60,000 seems high for an average salary in a school).
Do you expect us to believe that you can hire a nurse, build a hospital, heat it and run the x-ray machines for £22,500 a year?
Get real.
Your NHS figures were only for salaries.
I suspect that you work in the public sector, and therefore you have no understanding of how the real world works.
Edited by don4l on Monday 30th March 22:38
Sway said:
McWigglebum4th said:
TTwiggy said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Don't think so
I think the beeb have killed topgear with great delight
Clarkson killed Top Gear. HTHI think the beeb have killed topgear with great delight
if the beeb wanted it to continue they could of quickly and easily dropped in A.N.Other into the role
Instead they are busily taking all the sets to pieces and skipping them
Topgear as we know it has gone
don4l said:
Have you worked out the figure for the NHS costs?
Do you expect us to believe that you can hire a nurse, build a hospital, heat it and run the x-ray machines for £22,500 a year?
Get real.
Your NHS figures were only for salaries.
I suspect that you work in the public sector, and therefore you have no understanding of how the real world works.
Don't worry he has staff to work that out for him. I hope they're better at primary school maths than he is. Do you expect us to believe that you can hire a nurse, build a hospital, heat it and run the x-ray machines for £22,500 a year?
Get real.
Your NHS figures were only for salaries.
I suspect that you work in the public sector, and therefore you have no understanding of how the real world works.
Edited by don4l on Monday 30th March 22:38
Wills2 said:
Don't worry he has staff to work that out for him. I hope they're better at primary school maths than he is.
They probably are, that's why I employ them 
I've asked Don4l a couple of times but he seems to be avoiding the question - can you give me an example of an organisation where the average employee cost is £100k per annum?
otolith said:
But admit it, you'd be willing to accept any size black hole to be rid of Clarkson.
It will be interesting to see what the continuation Top Gear looks like, and if it is dire, it will be amusing to see the usual suspects trying to say they see a shine on a turd.
Not at all. I'm sad to see JC go. But at some point you have to draw a line. JC crossed it.It will be interesting to see what the continuation Top Gear looks like, and if it is dire, it will be amusing to see the usual suspects trying to say they see a shine on a turd.
Would you have kept him AT ANY COST? What, in your opinion, would have been "too much"?
Countdown said:
They probably are, that's why I employ them
I've asked Don4l a couple of times but he seems to be avoiding the question - can you give me an example of an organisation where the average employee cost is £100k per annum?
Just about any company in EC4 etc.I've asked Don4l a couple of times but he seems to be avoiding the question - can you give me an example of an organisation where the average employee cost is £100k per annum?
If you pay somebody 40k in the public sector, in central London, the total cost including pension etc is close.
Countdown said:
don4l said:
Have you worked out the figure for the NHS costs?
Do you expect us to believe that you can hire a nurse, build a hospital, heat it and run the x-ray machines for £22,500 a year?
Get real.
Your NHS figures were only for salaries.
I suspect that you work in the public sector, and therefore you have no understanding of how the real world works.
Do you genuinely think the average hospital employee costs £100k per annum?Do you expect us to believe that you can hire a nurse, build a hospital, heat it and run the x-ray machines for £22,500 a year?
Get real.
Your NHS figures were only for salaries.
I suspect that you work in the public sector, and therefore you have no understanding of how the real world works.
Edited by don4l on Monday 30th March 22:38
By the way building hospitals and buying x-ray machines are capital costs. I'm not sure if you understand the implications.
Are you suggesting that the BBC can reduce their spending by £50m by cutting capital costs?
If so, shouldn't they be doing this anyway?
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