Jeremy Clarkson suspended by BBC...
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eccles said:
So if I get this right, Amazon are true gentlemen and have always been paying all their tax thats due, even whilst being based in Luxembourg. Then, because they've not broken any laws or dodged any tax, just out of the goodness of their heart, they decide to base themselves in the country where they earn their money, thus making themselves vastly less competetive because they're now paying a lot more tax?
no, more to do with the VAT situation changing.Amazon: business folk doing business.
They're perfectly capable of adapting to the changing context of their business, as required from time to time.
If that involves paying more corptax, then customers can end up paying some of it, with the rest from the jobs side, i.e. slower expansion etc.
As always, howling hypocritical lefties (Guardian stylee) are pretty much clueless as to how the world works, almost as clueless as their lefty political heroes when it comes to wasting the tax they manage to get hold of.
They're perfectly capable of adapting to the changing context of their business, as required from time to time.
If that involves paying more corptax, then customers can end up paying some of it, with the rest from the jobs side, i.e. slower expansion etc.
As always, howling hypocritical lefties (Guardian stylee) are pretty much clueless as to how the world works, almost as clueless as their lefty political heroes when it comes to wasting the tax they manage to get hold of.
turbobloke said:
Amazon: business folk doing business.
They're perfectly capable of adapting to the changing context of their business, as required from time to time.
If that involves paying more corptax, then customers can end up paying some of it, with the rest from the jobs side, i.e. slower expansion etc.
As always, howling hypocritical lefties (Guardian stylee) are pretty much clueless as to how the world works, almost as clueless as their lefty political heroes when it comes to wasting the tax they manage to get hold of.
While the same witless lefties champion the EU without realising it's actually the vehicle that permits amazon et all to operate the way they do.They're perfectly capable of adapting to the changing context of their business, as required from time to time.
If that involves paying more corptax, then customers can end up paying some of it, with the rest from the jobs side, i.e. slower expansion etc.
As always, howling hypocritical lefties (Guardian stylee) are pretty much clueless as to how the world works, almost as clueless as their lefty political heroes when it comes to wasting the tax they manage to get hold of.
hairyben said:
While the same witless lefties champion the EU without realising it's actually the vehicle that permits amazon et all to operate the way they do.
And how much do these EU apparatchiks pay themselves, with little to no accountability to anyone?Why is this deemed OK and Amazon berated?
chris watton said:
hairyben said:
While the same witless lefties champion the EU without realising it's actually the vehicle that permits amazon et all to operate the way they do.
And how much do these EU apparatchiks pay themselves, with little to no accountability to anyone?Why is this deemed OK and Amazon berated?
SPS said:
£4.2 billion in UK sales has been routed via Luxembourg to avoid paying UK taxes - it's even been in the Guardian not the DM!
Now I think I have my facts more or less sorted.
Oh and avoid watching or purchasing anything from Amazon too - so feel rather righteous ;-)
That made me laugh a lot. The Guardian is such a reliable tome for business/ corporate information, could you not get hold of the Viz to see what they had to say?Now I think I have my facts more or less sorted.
Oh and avoid watching or purchasing anything from Amazon too - so feel rather righteous ;-)
eccles said:
otolith said:
It will be interesting to see how the people saying the TG format is old and tired get on - they will now have the old format with new presenters and the old presenters with a new format.
You really think they keep the same format on both shows?eccles said:
otolith said:
It will be interesting to see how the people saying the TG format is old and tired get on - they will now have the old format with new presenters and the old presenters with a new format.
You really think they keep the same format on both shows?I suspect that a lot of people say "the format is tired" when they mean "I don't like Clarkson".
djdest said:
I wonder how many ideas they've sat on for years that they knew the BBC wouldn't pass
The thing is they could have left anytime before the punch so I can't imagine there are a lot.He sold his stake in the production company so again before that he had total control. The thing is the new show could be crap or good but to say he was constrained I wouldn't think is true.
98elise said:
A company can be huge and make no profit, even large losses. This isn't clever accounting or a dodge, its simply means that there is nothing else left in the pot after they have paid everyone (and all the UK tax due on that).
I was at university around 2000 and we studied Amazon's business model. Still a bookseller and at the time hadn't made a penny profit. As pointed out earlier they were chasing market share and succeeded to the point they have now hoovered up not only books, but games, household etc etc. And obviously TV is on the agenda, Brenda.15 years on (afaik- not looked recently) it's much the same. Brand equity immeasurable, market penetration massive, valued in the billions and still not making significant relative profits.
I'm going to have another read up on it. Not on the Guardian.
The Spruce goose said:
djdest said:
I wonder how many ideas they've sat on for years that they knew the BBC wouldn't pass
The thing is they could have left anytime before the punch so I can't imagine there are a lot.He sold his stake in the production company so again before that he had total control. The thing is the new show could be crap or good but to say he was constrained I wouldn't think is true.
98elise said:
SPS said:
Snozzwangler said:
98elise said:
SPS said:
Oh working for Amazon - you know the ones that pay all that tax 
Who the hell watches that?
I would rather watch 5th Gear - at least the cars get a look in instead of three middle aged (well one of em is oldish) pissing around and laughing at each others jokes.
What tax are they not paying? Do you mean corporation tax, ie a tax on company profits. Amazon is not a very profitable company, especially given its turnover. Who the hell watches that?
I would rather watch 5th Gear - at least the cars get a look in instead of three middle aged (well one of em is oldish) pissing around and laughing at each others jokes.
Chillax babes
Now I think I have my facts more or less sorted.
Oh and avoid watching or purchasing anything from Amazon too - so feel rather righteous ;-)
A company can be huge and make no profit, even large losses. This isn't clever accounting or a dodge, its simply means that there is nothing else left in the pot after they have paid everyone (and all the UK tax due on that).
By the way after running a business that made gross profits in the multiple millions pa (and tax was paid on the profits) for over 20 years and paying my staff strong salaries plus up to 40% of salary OTE - I think that I can just about grasp the differential between the two!
These companies ARE making profits and cynically manipulating the loopholes to avoid paying taxes and in a number of cases the UK tax payer is having to subsidize these companies because we are having to pay hard working low paid staff tax credits or what ever it will be called next! True the crap governments across most of Europe are very slow to close these - must be board positions on the horizon.
In addition you will find that many of the "thousands" of jobs that they provide are either zero hours contracts and are also close to the minimum wage.
So keep buying from these companies and before you realize it any competitive choice will be long gone. Have you forgotten what the supermarket have done and how they have come to totally dominate many retail sectors. Now at last there are new UK & European competitors in the market (relatively new anyway) and surprisingly the big 4 have had to re think their whole marketing strategy and prices are falling simplesssssssssssss!
So as some one has said back to Jezza and his mates!
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