Jeremy Clarkson suspended by BBC...

Jeremy Clarkson suspended by BBC...

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jbudgie

8,843 posts

211 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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But you can only be a racialist if you are white.type

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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"Racialist"? The 1960s called. They want their word back.

BTW, here are examples of white people winning race discrimination claims -


http://www.clarkslegal.com/Legal_Updates/Read/Stud...


http://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/10435356.Chris...

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

232 months

Saturday 27th February 2016
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whatever happened to the case he was going to bring against the BBC?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2999715/Cl...

was it all bks?

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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Breadvan72 said:
BTW, here are examples of white people winning race discrimination claims -
OK so the phenomenon exists, thanks for the links; is there data on how many white people won cases compared to black people? A couple of examples may not reflect a massively skewed picture overall.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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I don't know if such data is collected in any easily accessible way. It seems a reasonable assumption that there will tend to be more discrimination against members of minority groups than against members of majority groups, people being the unreasonable creatures that they are, so I would not be surprised to see a higher incidence of successful claims made by members of minority groups than by members of majority groups. There are, of course, lots of bogus claims, sometimes supported by a dodgy claimant industry, but in my experience most of those fail.

Small historical factoid: the first sex discrimination case to reach the Court of Appeal (that was in the mid to late 70s) concerned discrimination against men.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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Breadvan72 said:
I don't know if such data is collected in any easily accessible way. It seems a reasonable assumption that there will tend to be more discrimination against members of minority groups than against members of majority groups, people being the unreasonable creatures that they are, so I would not be surprised to see a higher incidence of successful claims made by members of minority groups than by members of majority groups. There are, of course, lots of bogus claims, sometimes supported by a dodgy claimant industry, but in my experience most of those fail.

Small historical factoid: the first sex discrimination case to reach the Court of Appeal (that was in the mid to late 70s) concerned discrimination against men.
And as they say in the land of égalité and fraternité "après cela la deluge des féministes".

BJG1

5,966 posts

211 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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turbobloke said:
OK so the phenomenon exists, thanks for the links; is there data on how many white people won cases compared to black people? A couple of examples may not reflect a massively skewed picture overall.
Do you think that may be because black people are more likely to be discriminated against?

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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BJG1 said:
turbobloke said:
OK so the phenomenon exists, thanks for the links; is there data on how many white people won cases compared to black people? A couple of examples may not reflect a massively skewed picture overall.
Do you think that may be because black people are more likely to be discriminated against?
Is there a majority that way? Quite possibly so but BV didn't cite one alongside the first case. If there is then of course it's one possible reason and the most likely.

A contributory factor to the size of any majority could be that white people don't bring cases at all readily, as per DV involving men assaulted by their wives or female partners where only ~1% of male hospital attendees go on to report the incident that injured them to police.

The issue is looking for the information and data rather than making assumptions no matter how likely they are to be correct.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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turbobloke said:
OK so the phenomenon exists, thanks for the links; is there data on how many white people won cases compared to black people? A couple of examples may not reflect a massively skewed picture overall.
Wow.
That is the post of a truly frazzled brain.
Try spamming the forums less & getting out more. It may help.

I have my own opinions why a black person in the UK who is part of a demographic that makes up around 3% of the population might be more liable to be a victim of racial discrimination or abuse than a white person who is part of an 87% demographic.

Now go away, have a little think, and see if you can come up with your own rationale as to why that would be the case.
smile

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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zygalski said:
turbobloke said:
OK so the phenomenon exists, thanks for the links; is there data on how many white people won cases compared to black people? A couple of examples may not reflect a massively skewed picture overall.
Wow.
That is the post of a truly frazzled brain.
Or one that looks for data rather than other options. If you read posts for understanding you'd see I've been asking questions not making statements or assumptions.

zygalski said:
Try spamming the forums less & getting out more. It may help.
White noise.

zygalski said:
I have my own opinions why a black person in the UK who is part of a demographic that makes up around 3% of the population might be more liable to be a victim of racial discrimination or abuse than a white person who is part of an 87% demographic.
So do many people and it's probably along the right lines. As I already said if you got over your knee-jerk righteous indignation enough to look.

zygalski said:
Now go away, have a little think, and see if you can come up with your own rationale as to why that would be the case.
Not necessary, unlike people such as you I've already thought before posting.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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A nice lil article bout bias/racism/discrimination.

http://theabyssiswatching.tumblr.com/post/14007966...

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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Halb said:
A nice lil article bout bias/racism/discrimination.

http://theabyssiswatching.tumblr.com/post/14007966...
Yes it’s an interesting article, thanks for posting the link. Here’s another article (link below) from Codi Bott which could usefully be read following that abyssiswatching link, it’s also about a form of asymmetry in claims of racism. A key line is “...I know that your first bigoted instinct is to immediately discredit me...” which somehow reminds me of the baseless smear in zygalski’s post. Bingo, but the other lines are of interest as well.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/codi-bott/2014/07/racism...

The data I asked about would be of interest firstly because the UK has a significant majority of white people. It’s of interest also because we could then divide the number of cases won by white people by the number of black people, and then divide the number of cases won by black people by the number of white people. And yes, I’ve got that the right way round. My point is that this derivative data would give a perspective beyond the headline numbers, and I say this whatever the unknown result may be.

Psychology research based on ‘implicit association testing’ has shown that human brains have an automatic tendency to associate our own race with good and other races with bad, whoever we are. That could be anyone, including zygalski. Until they/we take the test they/we won’t have that kind of independent information on the matter. I don’t think it applies to me, given that Mrs TB’s skin colour isn’t white, but then I haven’t taken the test either.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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Here are five examples of successful claims by Irish employees based on national origin. If some seem indicative of people being over sensitive to what some regard as banter, maybe try substituting the word "black" or "Jewish" for "Irish".

http://www.personneltoday.com/hr/race-discriminati...

Dodgy claims are not the monopoly preserve of dark skinned ethnic minorities. I once defended an employer against an unsuccessful claim by an Irish worker who complained when a colleague commented on the drizzly weather, saying that the day was "a soft Irish day". The Tribunal threw that claim out.

turbobloke

103,742 posts

259 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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Breadvan72 said:
Here are five examples of successful claims by Irish employees based on national origin. If some seem indicative of people being over sensitive to what some regard as banter, maybe try substituting the word "black" or "Jewish" for "Irish".
Quite so.

Breadvan72 said:
Dodgy claims are not the monopoly preserve of dark skinned ethnic minorities. I once defended an employer against an unsuccessful claim by an Irish worker who complained when a colleague commented on the drizzly weather, saying that the day was "a soft Irish day". The Tribunal threw that claim out.
Fair enough.

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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Halb said:
A nice lil article bout bias/racism/discrimination.

http://theabyssiswatching.tumblr.com/post/14007966...
To be fair it's the constant diatribe of todays PC culture bandwagon, using their self appointed moral authority to ad-hominem defend any challenge or discussion using logic or reason that undermines their fashionable cause, that annoy a lot of people more than a feeling the the MOBO awards etc etc shouldn't have a right to exist.

limpsfield

5,871 posts

252 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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hairyben said:
To be fair it's the constant diatribe of todays PC culture bandwagon, using their self appointed moral authority to ad-hominem defend any challenge or discussion using logic or reason that undermines their fashionable cause, that annoy a lot of people more than a feeling the the MOBO awards etc etc shouldn't have a right to exist.
That reads like it was written by some sort of automated PH NP&E bot. I have seen the future.

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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limpsfield said:
hairyben said:
To be fair it's the constant diatribe of todays PC culture bandwagon, using their self appointed moral authority to ad-hominem defend any challenge or discussion using logic or reason that undermines their fashionable cause, that annoy a lot of people more than a feeling the the MOBO awards etc etc shouldn't have a right to exist.
That reads like it was written by some sort of automated PH NP&E bot. I have seen the future.
see?

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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limpsfield said:
That reads like it was written by some sort of automated PH NP&E bot. I have seen the future.
Couple of obvious flaws in programming. No reference to 1997 or the Beeb.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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hairyben said:
see?
However the IF THEN ELSE loop seems to be working fine biggrin

limpsfield

5,871 posts

252 months

Sunday 28th February 2016
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hairyben said:
limpsfield said:
hairyben said:
To be fair it's the constant diatribe of todays PC culture bandwagon, using their self appointed moral authority to ad-hominem defend any challenge or discussion using logic or reason that undermines their fashionable cause, that annoy a lot of people more than a feeling the the MOBO awards etc etc shouldn't have a right to exist.
That reads like it was written by some sort of automated PH NP&E bot. I have seen the future.
see?
Is the diatribe that constant? I think there is quite a bit of it about but I don't know how exposed we all are to it. On Twitter for example there is lots of it and in the last 12 months there seems to have been a lot of discussion about the whole gender thing, which is not of much interest to me so I have not read up on it.

If you read something like the Guardian you would no doubt be exposed to more of this but I think we all tends to read stuff that confirms our own bias don't we? So I don't read that, although their business section is very good.

I am just not seeing this "constant diatribe" or PC gone mad etc. I read the daily mail now and again for a laugh and could see how that could twist someone's views if they didn't get out much. But I do question how exposed we really are. I think PH occasionally gets its knickers in a twist about stuff that doesn't even touch most people's life.