Je Suis Billy Boy - Free Speech in the UK

[Hugo a Gogo]

xRIEx said:

fk me, a law that legislates against hated and terrorism is a bad thing?! That 'journalist' is mental.

it doesn't legislate against terrorism, and 'football hatred' is not 'religious hatred'

[glazbagun]

Hugo a Gogo said:

it doesn't legislate against terrorism, and 'football hatred' is not 'religious hatred'

So you're saying there's no religious hatred at Old Firm games?

[McWigglebum4th]

xjsdriver said:

It is no longer acceptable in a modern Scotland. As others on here have said the law was welcomed across Scotland, regardless of political, or ethnic persuasion........apart from the scumbag morons who are too deluded to see it.

What deeply bothers me is the government jailing folk for singing a song

At the present moment those that are being jailed add less then zero to scotland

What bothers me is who will they be jailing next?

What will our leaders decide next needs eradicating from scottish society

It is deeply symptomatic of the scottish governments over riding desire to control everything

Jailing people for singing songs is the actions of a totalitarian state

[slow_poke]

The song is merely a vehicle that demonstrates, displays and expresses their sectarianism and hatred of others. That's why he got banged up.

[Hugo a Gogo]

glazbagun said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

it doesn't legislate against terrorism, and 'football hatred' is not 'religious hatred'

So you're saying there's no religious hatred at Old Firm games?

I'm saying I don't know how many, if any, actually just hate Catholics and Catholicism as well as following Rangers, or how many just sing and shout these things because 'it's what they do' at Rangers games

How much is hatred of Irish republicanism, how much is hatred of the Irish and those of Irish backgrounds, how much is 'just' hatred of the rival team, their supporters, and anything they seem to support

I don't know why people sing these songs, just as I don't know why the fat bloke I mentioned earlier was singing it to me at an England Scotland game, was it because of hate for catholics?

[Wrathalanche]

In my 30 years of life in the West coast of Scotland (spent entirely on the outside of football grounds) I have almost never heard the song sang past the "know us by our noise" line. I suspect though that to enforce this law, the police would lift anyone just for singing the "HELLO, HELLO" part of it, before they get the chance to finish.

So I'd mirror Simoid's question: what part of the song is illegal? What if someone was to replace the line with "up to our knees in kitten love"? Has a crime still been commited? If Rangers fans all agreed to sing this version in the future, would the song become acceptable?

Radio 1 play songs that could be considered by some to be offensive all day long. They just blank or substitute out the upsetting words, and seem to get away with it.

[xRIEx]

Hugo a Gogo said:

xRIEx said:

fk me, a law that legislates against hated and terrorism is a bad thing?! That 'journalist' is mental.

it doesn't legislate against terrorism, and 'football hatred' is not 'religious hatred'

Are football hatred and religious hatred mutually exclusive?

Is racial hatred not racial hatred when it occurs in the context of a football match? Or the context of a French subway? Same for homophobia? Sometimes I think football fans believe there are different rules for them as long as they are acting as one mob rather than one individual.

[xRIEx]

Wrathalanche said:

Radio 1 play songs that could be considered by some to be offensive all day long. They just blank or substitute out the upsetting words, and seem to get away with it.

That's the exact opposite of "getting away with it" - that's censorship.

[xjsdriver]

Wrathalanche said:

In my 30 years of life in the West coast of Scotland (spent entirely on the outside of football grounds) I have almost never heard the song sang past the "know us by our noise" line. I suspect though that to enforce this law, the police would lift anyone just for singing the "HELLO, HELLO" part of it, before they get the chance to finish.

So I'd mirror Simoid's question: what part of the song is illegal? What if someone was to replace the line with "up to our knees in kitten love"? Has a crime still been commited? If Rangers fans all agreed to sing this version in the future, would the song become acceptable?

Radio 1 play songs that could be considered by some to be offensive all day long. They just blank or substitute out the upsetting words, and seem to get away with it.

Like slow poke said - The song is merely a vehicle that demonstrates, displays and expresses their sectarianism and hatred of others. I don't believe radio 1 would ever broadcast this song - even with the offensive words blanked out. You could always ring in and request that they play it and see what response you get.

[Hugo a Gogo]

xRIEx said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

xRIEx said:

fk me, a law that legislates against hated and terrorism is a bad thing?! That 'journalist' is mental.

it doesn't legislate against terrorism, and 'football hatred' is not 'religious hatred'

Are football hatred and religious hatred mutually exclusive?

Is racial hatred not racial hatred when it occurs in the context of a football match? Or the context of a French subway? Same for homophobia? Sometimes I think football fans believe there are different rules for them as long as they are acting as one mob rather than one individual.

is it racial hatred if you say you hate a team's fans?

for example, is it anti-Semitic to hate Spurs fans?

[McWigglebum4th]

xjsdriver said:

Like slow poke said - The song is merely a vehicle that demonstrates, displays and expresses their sectarianism and hatred of others.

So the government will decide who we can and can't hate

What about these guys

[Wrathalanche]

xRIEx said:

That's the exact opposite of "getting away with it" - that's censorship.

Yeah, hence my question - can the song be censored and deemed acceptable?

xjsdriver said:

Like slow poke said - The song is merely a vehicle that demonstrates, displays and expresses their sectarianism and hatred of others. I don't believe radio 1 would ever broadcast this song - even with the offensive words blanked out. You could always ring in and request that they play it and see what response you get.

If I ever hear that song again in any form it will be too soon. I've had enough of being woken up at night by knuckledraggers belting it out while sauntering down my street in the middle of the night. But that's what I get for buying up somewhere near-ish Hampden.

My point is, is it the song thats wrong, the intent by singing, or that particular horrible line? I'm not looking to defend anyone in this. I'm happy for the singer to be punished but jail sounds a bit severe, and a fine would surely be more appropriate. But what I want to know is are people punished for singing just the opening line, or that particular word?

[simoid]

xjsdriver said:

simoid said:

You don't seem to be replying to the content of my posts. Are you having trouble understanding them, or are your unrelated foul-mouthed monologues deliberate?

I didn't say the song isn't a problem. I've not nailed my colours to any mast.
I'm not weaselling out of anything - I've no need to.

P.S. the only thing worse than a drawn out insult is repetition of drawn out insult, find a new one

Edited by simoid on Thursday 19th March 07:51

Simoid, just for you - People from Fife aren't from a particular sect, In fact there's a fairly strong Rangers contingent from Kirkcaldy......So call them what you like.

I will repeat again in big bold letters to aid you with reading, as it seems you are having trouble taking it in. ANY RANGERS FAN WHO CANNOT SEE THAT SECTARIAN SONGS ARE VILE IS PART OF SCOTLAND'S SHAME. FOR YOU TO ARGUE OTHERWISE DOES YOU NO CREDIT WHAT-SO-EVER.

This also applies to Celtic fans who also sing sectarian song, it is shameful, disgusting behaviour and whole cross-sections of the community across Scotland are sick of it. The laws past were welcome by everyone in Scotland apart from the bigots.

If you are not part of the solution to rid Scotland of sectarianism, then you are part of the problem. You cannot say that you didn't think there was a problem at your club, because the SFA have taken action countless times against the club.

If there wasn't a problem with sectarian songs, then there would be no need for the law, which was widely accepted (and welcomed) by everyone in Scotland apart from the bigots. Do you belong to the orange lodge? Do you go on orange walks? If the answer is yes, you are most probably a bigot, who dresses up sectarianism as tradition and free speech.

It is no longer acceptable in a modern Scotland. As others on here have said the law was welcomed across Scotland, regardless of political, or ethnic persuasion........apart from the scumbag morons who are too deluded to see it.

What the flying fk are you talking about?

Are you even reading what I'm posting?

[simoid]

Wrathalanche said:

In my 30 years of life in the West coast of Scotland (spent entirely on the outside of football grounds) I have almost never heard the song sang past the "know us by our noise" line. I suspect though that to enforce this law, the police would lift anyone just for singing the "HELLO, HELLO" part of it, before they get the chance to finish.

So I'd mirror Simoid's question: what part of the song is illegal? What if someone was to replace the line with "up to our knees in kitten love"? Has a crime still been commited? If Rangers fans all agreed to sing this version in the future, would the song become acceptable?

Radio 1 play songs that could be considered by some to be offensive all day long. They just blank or substitute out the upsetting words, and seem to get away with it.

"HELLO! HELLO!"

*officer slaps cuffs on*

"But officer, I was on the phone to my hard-of-hearing grandmother..."

[Hugo a Gogo]

simoid said:

Wrathalanche said:

In my 30 years of life in the West coast of Scotland (spent entirely on the outside of football grounds) I have almost never heard the song sang past the "know us by our noise" line. I suspect though that to enforce this law, the police would lift anyone just for singing the "HELLO, HELLO" part of it, before they get the chance to finish.

So I'd mirror Simoid's question: what part of the song is illegal? What if someone was to replace the line with "up to our knees in kitten love"? Has a crime still been commited? If Rangers fans all agreed to sing this version in the future, would the song become acceptable?

Radio 1 play songs that could be considered by some to be offensive all day long. They just blank or substitute out the upsetting words, and seem to get away with it.

"HELLO! HELLO!"

*officer slaps cuffs on*

"But officer, I was on the phone to my hard-of-hearing grandmother..."

"Come with me Mr Glitter, now you're really in trouble!"

[Neonblau]

I have to agree with XJS, having grown up in Glasgow the whole Orange and Green thing is a cancer unlike anything anywhere in the world apart from NI, and if you haven't lived with it it really is incomprehensible. The Orange Walks in particular used to really piss me off as traffic in the city would be buggered for the whole day.

With the song in question what pissed me off most about that is that the tune isn't even their own and is that of Marching Through Georgia, from the civil war.

There is a reference and a bit of a story to it here. Believe it or not the billy in "hill billies" comes from the very same William of Orange.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/redne...

[KJR]

Neonblau said:

I have to agree with XJS, having grown up in Glasgow the whole Orange and Green thing is a cancer unlike anything anywhere in the world apart from NI, and if you haven't lived with it it really is incomprehensible.

It's unbelievable how stupid this gets:

Scottish town where green is beyond the pale

"Companies setting up shop are forced to change their livery. Traffic lights are smashed in defiance. It seems astonishing that a town could detest something so much, but Larkhall does.

For it is green that provokes so much ire in this Lanarkshire town just outside Glasgow. Yes, the colour."

Nothing about Larkhall is black and white

"Just visit Subway, the sandwich chain which opened in the town's main street a few weeks ago. Its standard livery is green throughout Britain. In Larkhall it is black, a decision a spokesman for the company said may have been due to "planning and environmental issues". "

According to Google street view, dated 2011, it was still black.

[Hugo a Gogo]

see, that's mental

how can they tolerate that sort of crap, whilst jailing stupid neds for singing

[Mojocvh]

slow_poke said:

The song is merely a vehicle that demonstrates, displays and expresses their sectarianism and hatred of others. That's why he got banged up.

So who's next on the list then?

I have previously explained my upbringing and "dislike" of this whole sectarian thing.

However, I am worried that by jailing people for singing a song, RATHER THAN TAKING REAL AND SUSTAINABLE actions to eradicate the whole culture, we now have demonstrably lightweight politicians who are pandering to the quick be seen/vote thing and it may be seen by them, for their long term benefit, for this hideous culture to continue!

[Janluke]

ASDA seems to be unaware