Shocking footage - US Cops take down man...

[Hugo a Gogo]

I can't be arsed any more with this

anyone with or without anything in their hand would have to be killed, bodies would be piled in the streets

Christ, even a Nazi prison camp guard wouldn't be that trigger happy

answer the door half asleep with a remote control or a phone in your hand "put it down, put it down put it down" before you can think, bang you're dead

it could be a weapon in your hand after all

anyone who honestly believes that should be the way to go about things needs their bumps felt

[Grumfutock]

Perhaps the quantity of opinions opposing yours should tell you that your wrong rather than we are all crazy! But then again that is the PH way.

[Hugo a Gogo]

perhaps every news outlet in the western world carrying the story tells you most people think it shouldn't be a routine matter

[irocfan]

Hugo a Gogo said:

perhaps every news outlet in the western world carrying the story tells you most people think it shouldn't be a routine matter

but for some reason this doesn't get mention by the whole of the western world's press - can you say agenda?

[Cheese Mechanic]

Not entirely clear in the video, however , he appears to have advanced, and then gone to the side to escape the rounds.

The copper sounds agitated, prior to opening up. One wonders what history the deceased had, unpredictable was he, what were the Police briefed about him, if anything?

As for those casting light on the offensive nature of a screwdriver , I can state this.

Give me a first strike with a screwdriver against you with a screwdriver with a 2" blade, and I will hurt you very badly, and if luck slightly against you , permanent injury, and really out of luck, dead.

Likewise, with a screwdriver with a 3" blade, more than an evens chance you would be dead.

Basically, even the most innocuous thing can become a deadly weapon in capable hands. As to whether this chap really knew what he could do with what he had , nobody knows, including the coppers in front of him.

I'd be astonished if there was not more to this story than what appears, we may well find out in time.

[Ayahuasca]

RIP the officers above.

I wonder how many were shot, and how many were killed by knives, screwdrivers, etc?


This is discussion-worthy because cops face people with weapons all the time, but normally do not use deadly force. This case: http://www.wcvb.com/news/2-police-officers-injured... has US cops responding to a knife-wielding disturbed man, and not shooting him dead. The officers were injured but showed admirable restraint. Maybe they have a less shoot-em-dead attitude in Delaware?

[wc98]

Wills2 said:

Thanks La liga for taking the time, a very informative post.

Cheers.

+1

[Hugo a Gogo]

Cheese Mechanic said:

As for those casting light on the offensive nature of a screwdriver , I can state this.

Give me a first strike with a screwdriver against you with a screwdriver with a 2" blade, and I will hurt you very badly, and if luck slightly against you , permanent injury, and really out of luck, dead.

Likewise, with a screwdriver with a 3" blade, more than an evens chance you would be dead.

More than evens eh, of course everyone on the internet has ninja/krav maga/SAS/screwfix training

How about if I have another innocuous item to defend myself, such as a baton, or a taser, and training on how to use them?

[Cheese Mechanic]

Hugo a Gogo said:

How about if I have another innocuous item to defend myself, such as a baton, or a taser, and training on how to use them?

Never heard of inertia, obviously. Plus of course tazers are not always effective. Its pretty plain the cops thought themselves at risk, hence, partly at very least, the end result.

You ought to be on the target end sometime of a knife/bottle/pointy object being waved at you with malice, it polarises the mind, very much indeed.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Explain you enigmatic inertia comment please.
Tasers don't work sometimes, just like guns, or screwdrivers

[Cheese Mechanic]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Explain you enigmatic inertia comment please.
Tasers don't work sometimes, just like guns, or screwdrivers

You obviously do not have a clue what you are going on about, go and work it out for yourself.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Cheese Mechanic said:

You obviously do not have a clue what you are going on about, go and work it out for yourself.

It's obvious

I bow to your greater inertia and screwdriver combat knowledge

[scorp]

Does he mean momentum ?

[9mm]

popeyewhite said:

The deceased was told to drop the screwdriver, quite clearly, three times. Not only did he not comply with the orders of armed police (and his mother), he then moved towards them.

The officers will be strictly following police guidelines for this kind of situation. Your argument should be with the Dallas P.D.

What do I consider a deadly object? Anything I think someone else is trying to attack me with, balanced with whether the object in their possession is actually capable of harm.

Depressing thread. It has less to do with weapons than a disturbing undercurrent that can be summarised as 'comply or die'. I cannot imagine living in a society where that attitude underpins police actions and seems to be supported by so many.

[Munter]

9mm said:

'comply or die'.

No it's "When asked, stop threatening the welfare of a police officer, or die". Which seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[ikarl]

When watching that video, I can't help but think the officers should have taken two steps back as soon as he appeared with the screwdriver.

At the distance they were, the guy with the screwdriver probably didn't have time to recognise the fact he could end up dead. If he saw the officers step back, then take out their sidearms, he may have understood what was going to happen.

[scherzkeks]

9mm said:

It has less to do with weapons than a disturbing undercurrent that can be summarised as 'comply or die'.

I cannot imagine living in a society where that attitude underpins police actions and seems to be supported by so many.

Be happy you don't. I certainly don't miss it.

[General Madness]

Interesting article in the Edinburgh Evening News.

Officer stabbed 4 times as he chose not to shoot in case any innocents were injured.
In USA it would have been chaos!

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/a...

[hornetrider]

Here's another one. Laquan McDonald from Chicago gunned down by 16 shots (!) and now the cop has been charged with murder. The link contains the footage which although not graphic is pretty shocking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/chicago-offic...

[KrazyIvan]

hornetrider said:

Here's another one. Laquan McDonald from Chicago gunned down by 16 shots (!) and now the cop has been charged with murder. The link contains the footage which although not graphic is pretty shocking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/chicago-offic...

I think justice was done in this case, the teenager was not a threat to the officer when he shot him. I find it equally sad that none of the others present tried to help the "victim".