Shocking footage - US Cops take down man...
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skyrover said:
I'm with the police on this one...
They asked him to drop the screwdriver, you can hear them plead as his mum yell's at him.
If someone lunges at me with a screwdriver, I will defend myself.
This initial police vs lightly armed guy situation will have occurred countless times in the UK. I can't recall the last time lethal force was employed to subdue someone threatening an officer with a screwdriver or similar, equally I don't recall the last time a police officer died as a result of someone a bit fThey asked him to drop the screwdriver, you can hear them plead as his mum yell's at him.
If someone lunges at me with a screwdriver, I will defend myself.
ked in the head lunging at them with a screwdriver.Lethal force was not required as the deceased didnt pose a lethal threat. Yes he could have injured the officer but so what that doesn't justify killing him. A gun is a last resort. If this had happened here that officer would be spending a good few years at HMP.
Hugo a Gogo said:
so what would unarmed UK cops do?
Thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw
And the guy was armed with something lot more lethal than a screwdriver and was clearly more of a threat.
I think the difference between the US and UK police, is that in this situation, as there is no immediate threat to life, the UK police are quite happy to run away and wait for backup. Whereas, the US police appear to have escalated to lethal force in just a few seconds.
Bear in mind that the US police knew the guy was a mental patient having issues, so should have been better prepared to deal with irrational behaviour.
I really don't know what to say.
I was half watching TV last night and an episode of the American 'Cops' show was on. The police pulled up behind a car waiting at traffic lights to turn right and noticed he had a bulb blown and it was a young looking driver so decided to check him out.
The light went green and the suspect car started slowly moving off to turn right when they 'lit him up', and straight away the suspect started to pull towards the edge of the road and slow to a stop, but only after he had just and so got round the corner of the junction to where there was a grass verge.
I personally thought it was a perfect stop with the driver stopping as quickly as was safely to do so and out of the flow of traffic.
The first thing the officer did was start screaming at the driver and demanding to know why he hadn't stopped 'the second the lights came on'. The driver explained that he was halfway through a turn on a busy junction and couldn't stop in the middle of the road so pulled onto the verge as it was safer. The officer just shouted that he was making excuses and ordered him out out the car at gunpoint.
That shocked me quite a bit actually as it was just completely unreasonable and hugely aggressive behaviour. The 20 year old skinny white kid looked terrified and came across as a decent polite person being ripped apart by an officer whilst having a firearm pointed at his face.
I was half watching TV last night and an episode of the American 'Cops' show was on. The police pulled up behind a car waiting at traffic lights to turn right and noticed he had a bulb blown and it was a young looking driver so decided to check him out.
The light went green and the suspect car started slowly moving off to turn right when they 'lit him up', and straight away the suspect started to pull towards the edge of the road and slow to a stop, but only after he had just and so got round the corner of the junction to where there was a grass verge.
I personally thought it was a perfect stop with the driver stopping as quickly as was safely to do so and out of the flow of traffic.
The first thing the officer did was start screaming at the driver and demanding to know why he hadn't stopped 'the second the lights came on'. The driver explained that he was halfway through a turn on a busy junction and couldn't stop in the middle of the road so pulled onto the verge as it was safer. The officer just shouted that he was making excuses and ordered him out out the car at gunpoint.
That shocked me quite a bit actually as it was just completely unreasonable and hugely aggressive behaviour. The 20 year old skinny white kid looked terrified and came across as a decent polite person being ripped apart by an officer whilst having a firearm pointed at his face.
After watching that vid, Youtube offered me this. Very Ok Corral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF9eX0SwaJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF9eX0SwaJM
djc206 said:
This initial police vs lightly armed guy situation will have occurred countless times in the UK. I can't recall the last time lethal force was employed to subdue someone threatening an officer with a screwdriver or similar, equally I don't recall the last time a police officer died as a result of someone a bit fked in the head lunging at them with a screwdriver.
I can assure you that if UK police were armed they would take similar action.ked in the head lunging at them with a screwdriver.An unknown assailant will always be dealt with the minimal risk to yourself...
skyrover said:
I can assure you that if UK police were armed they would take similar action.
An unknown assailant will always be dealt with the minimal risk to yourself...
Then there is your argument against routinely arming officers. Cowards should not be given firearms.An unknown assailant will always be dealt with the minimal risk to yourself...
It's also b
ks by the way. My father was an armed officer for many years and in all those years of facing violent threats not once did he employ lethal force to avoid a bit of a scrap.djc206 said:
skyrover said:
I can assure you that if UK police were armed they would take similar action.
An unknown assailant will always be dealt with the minimal risk to yourself...
Then there is your argument against routinely arming officers. Cowards should not be given firearms.An unknown assailant will always be dealt with the minimal risk to yourself...
It's also b
ks by the way. My father was an armed officer for many years and in all those years of facing violent threats not once did he employ lethal force to avoid a bit of a scrap.Okay... next time somebody attacks me with a screwdriver I will honorably drop my firearm and engage them in hand to hand combat... tis the noble thing to do.
skyrover said:
Defending yourself is cowardly?
Okay... next time somebody attacks me with a screwdriver I will honorably drop my firearm and engage them in hand to hand combat... tis the noble thing to do.
As a police officer its part of the job to deal with difficult situations , so you say just shoot anyone Okay... next time somebody attacks me with a screwdriver I will honorably drop my firearm and engage them in hand to hand combat... tis the noble thing to do.
To protect and serve right
Lost soul said:
skyrover said:
Defending yourself is cowardly?
Okay... next time somebody attacks me with a screwdriver I will honorably drop my firearm and engage them in hand to hand combat... tis the noble thing to do.
As a police officer its part of the job to deal with difficult situations , so you say just shoot anyone Okay... next time somebody attacks me with a screwdriver I will honorably drop my firearm and engage them in hand to hand combat... tis the noble thing to do.
To protect and serve right
Crush said:
Trouble is that even a small screwdriver can kill.
skyrover said:
Defending yourself is cowardly?
Okay... next time somebody attacks me with a screwdriver I will honorably drop my firearm and engage them in hand to hand combat... tis the noble thing to do.
Don't be ridiculous there was no self defence there was escalation and overwhelming force. Okay... next time somebody attacks me with a screwdriver I will honorably drop my firearm and engage them in hand to hand combat... tis the noble thing to do.
You are entitled to use reasonable force, shooting someone dead for merely holding a blunt instrument is not reasonable. Taser yes, breaking their arm with a baton yes, hell shooting the guy in the upper arm if you really have to, lethal force nope.
skyrover said:
If someone lunges at me with a screwdriver, I will defend myself.
So you would actually do your best to kill someone who lunged at you with a screwdriver or similar-sized weapon (eg smashed beer bottle)? There's a world of difference between defending yourself and ending someone's life.They could easily have shot him in the leg, the arm etc rather than numerous shots to the body.
La Liga said:
skyrover said:
I can assure you that if UK police were armed they would take similar action.
An unknown assailant will always be dealt with the minimal risk to yourself...
I think it's exceptionally improbable UK armed police would have taken similar action. An unknown assailant will always be dealt with the minimal risk to yourself...
You do not remove your best chance of defence to something less effective. You end the situation as quickly as possible.
Hoofy said:
skyrover said:
If someone lunges at me with a screwdriver, I will defend myself.
So you would actually do your best to kill someone who lunged at you with a screwdriver or similar-sized weapon (eg smashed beer bottle)? There's a world of difference between defending yourself and ending someone's life.They could easily have shot him in the leg, the arm etc rather than numerous shots to the body.
It's not cowardess, it's not bravery, it's just a cold fact
Hugo a Gogo said:
skyrover said:
Yes I would have put him down as quickly as possible... I would not take a smidgen of a chance he could land a blow.
It's not cowardess, it's not bravery, it's just a cold fact
It's not cowardess, it's not bravery, it's just a cold fact
where's that "don't worry ma'am, I'm from the internet" pic
Joking aside, anyone would react the same way.
Real life is markedly different from the movies
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