Shocking footage - US Cops take down man...
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djc206 said:
Grumfutock said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
You really should stop watching those films mate.
Did you intentionally skip over the parts where it says "large combat knife" and that he had already stabbed 3 other people. Apples and oranges. You really should stop watching those films mate.
MTech535 said:
I should add that I think a better course of action would be to pull back and make some space rather than shooting him like that, but I don't think shooting him in the arm would be the way to go.
shooting him in the arm or leg is fantasythey should have had batons out, not guns
or one guy standing off with the taser
Grumfutock said:
OK I will bite!
"bypassed officer’s stab vest"! And the point is that stab vests are not a guarantee of safety when attacked with a stabbing instrument. A screwdriver can easily avoid the vest and penetrate the person. The fact that a "large hunting knife" managed would indicate that a screwdriver would be even easier!
I would also point out that the officer was lucky. You seem disappointed that he survived?
Firstly the officer was both lucky and bloody brave, kudos to him he undoubtedly saved more people from getting seriously hurt or worse."bypassed officer’s stab vest"! And the point is that stab vests are not a guarantee of safety when attacked with a stabbing instrument. A screwdriver can easily avoid the vest and penetrate the person. The fact that a "large hunting knife" managed would indicate that a screwdriver would be even easier!
I would also point out that the officer was lucky. You seem disappointed that he survived?
Secondly he was attacked with a "large combat knife". When they say bypassed his vest what they are saying is that he was still stabbed in the torso. A stab vest is intended to protect the vital organs only not completely eliminate the chance of being stabbed in the torso. The evidence of the effectiveness of the vest in achieving its stated aim is that a knife designed to take life failed to take his, according to your article his injuries "weren't life threatening".
I'm not saying that police officers should take being stabbed on the chin but an officer wearing a stab vest faced with a screwdriver which is not designed to inflict damage and has not been used as a weapon yet is not even remotely comparable to a brave officer faced with a blood soaked weapon designed to kill that has already been used to inflict horrendous injuries to 3 other people. The only similarity is that the two perpetrators for lack of a better word were carrying sharp objects.
One faced an immediate and proven lethal threat and went above and beyond to remove that threat with the minimum amount of force, mercifully he was successful. The other faced a potentially violent mentally ill person, pointed a gun at them, escalated the situation essentially provoking said person thereby backing themselves into a corner where the fact that they had already presented their weapons left them having to make good on their unreasonable and unnecessary threat resulting in a loss of life that could easily have been prevented with a bit of common sense, restraint and reasoning.
loose cannon said:
I don't think they really should of shot him !
2 burly police against a man with a short screwdriver ! I think the tazers would of been quite ample
The yanks are far to gun ho, it's no wonder there having riots about police shootings,
So eloquent, how could we not be convinced?2 burly police against a man with a short screwdriver ! I think the tazers would of been quite ample
The yanks are far to gun ho, it's no wonder there having riots about police shootings,
Although they speak English in the states and we have a comfortable grasp on their way of life, you have to remember the cultural differences between the US and the UK (and Europe for that matter) are huge. Just because we can speak the language doesn't mean we can apply our way of life to theirs.
The big problem you have in the States is the escalation of violence in any situation. Not just within the police, but in everyday situations. You will be amazed at how quickly things escalate to violence over here, in seemingly ordinary situations. - The Will Ferrell meme seems appropriate here
- Due to this, Police officers are trained to prepare for serious violence when called to any disturbance or altercation - sadly that's just how it is here in the states.
We have lived here for over a year now and even driving can be a very dangerous activity. If there is a dispute, the speed at which violence comes into play is frightening.
There seems to be a huge ego problem with a lot of the US citizens, with everyone knowing their rights and their blame culture.
The big problem you have in the States is the escalation of violence in any situation. Not just within the police, but in everyday situations. You will be amazed at how quickly things escalate to violence over here, in seemingly ordinary situations. - The Will Ferrell meme seems appropriate here
- Due to this, Police officers are trained to prepare for serious violence when called to any disturbance or altercation - sadly that's just how it is here in the states. We have lived here for over a year now and even driving can be a very dangerous activity. If there is a dispute, the speed at which violence comes into play is frightening.
There seems to be a huge ego problem with a lot of the US citizens, with everyone knowing their rights and their blame culture.
otolith said:
On the police officers wearing body armour and having the option of stepping back - if there was any threat of someone getting stabbed with that screwdriver, it wasn't just to them, the man's mother was also there.
Did you watch the video? The mother was behind the officers, she had just pottered out of the house apparently unfazed by her son following her, hardly someone fearing for her life. She knew damned well he posed no threat to her, that the police tried to justify their actions by implying that they defended her is frankly laughable and insulting to the poor woman.The situation escalated when they drew their weapons and started shouting. Up until that point the mans body language was relaxed, he was twirling the screw driver in his hands not gripping it in a fist as one would if intending to use it to inflict damage, a minor threat that warranted stepping back and talking him down, they knew he was schizophrenic that's why they were there, they didn't adjust their methods to suit the situation. Failure to plan, failure to adapt, dead man, traumatised mother.
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