Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(

[cardigankid]

NEEP said:

cardigankid said:

This ought to be the end of the PC society. But it won't be.

This guy showed signs of mental instability yet in today's forgiving understanding second chance employee's rights environment, of course they should be allowed to return to employment. There is far too little understanding of mental illness. No?

It is very very disappointing, to put it mildly, that German Wings should entrust an aircraft to a person with this record. At some times in the past they would have had him put away. Germans aren't what they used to be. Nowadays he is tolerated.

They deserve to go bust. They are not suitable people to be trusted with transporting human beings. What other dingbats have they got flying civil planes? Nowadays it's ok to be a disturbed tosser in Germany, because of 'the past' . Fly KLM. They are professionals.

Edited by cardigankid on Thursday 26th March 21:52

There is a big difference between suffering from depression and the having the Psychotic episode that seems to have taken place here. Do you label all people that suffer from depression as "disturbed tossers". And that they all should be "put away" as you so succinctly put it.

I am very very disappointed in German Wings.

I simply do not see this in the hundred and fifty shades of indistinguishable grey which others seem to argue. I am sorry if people suffer from psychological malfunctions. However. In my opinion, there are people who are mentally stable and people who are mentally less stable. Most of us can I think tell the difference. The latter should not be employed in some jobs including civil airline pilot. i believe that there were plenty of indicators suggesting that the individual in question was psychologically fragile. Germans Wings were negligent in putting him in effective charge of an aircraft.

I believe that those who can reasonably be perceived to present a threat to society, including Islamic extremists threatening violence to others, should be removed from it.

[cardigankid]

NinjaPower said:

The two teachers who taught adventure training at school were proper grizzly, bearded outdoor type chaps and I always remember one of them telling us that he was Canoeing down some rapids one day when he capsized and got his helmet caught in between 2 submerged rocks whilst underwater.

He then went on about how he could feel himself drowning as he tried to free himself and that it was a really peaceful experience. He commented how he would be happy to drown if he ever needed to commit suicide.

Just the sort of people you want in charge of kids. Candidates to be 'put away' if you ask me.

[Vaud]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Oh my

If we are going to start 'putting away' depressed and mal-adjusted people, I think we can place you somewhere close to the front of the queue.

Quite.

[BlackVanDyke]

cardigankid said:

Just the sort of people you want in charge of kids. Candidates to be 'put away' if you ask me.

Until that I thought you were ignorant and scared. That you genuinely didn't realise that you were talking about a truly vast sector of the populace including, no doubt, world-leaders in any field you can think of. That the number of people whose mental illness renders them a danger to others is an absolutely miniscule number which by definition couldn't be identified ahead of time no matter what.

Changed my mind.



You are a troll AICMFP.

[Vaud]

Yup, that's Churchill gone for a start... What a terrible state the country ended up in with a depressive like him in charge of the country...

[cardigankid]

I'm flying German Wings later this month. I'll check on the co pilot before I sit down and if he needs put away I'll deal with it.

[cardigankid]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

cardigankid said:

Just the sort of people you want in charge of kids. Candidates to be 'put away' if you ask me.

Oh my

If we are going to start 'putting away' depressed and mal-adjusted people, I think we can place you somewhere close to the front of the queue.

So you think it's a good idea to put someone who fancies drowning in charge of an outward bound water sports facility for kids? This is what I mean. Everyone, even here, is so keen to demonstrate how PC they are.

[boobles]

cardigankid said:

I'm flying German Wings later this month. I'll check on the co pilot before I sit down and if he needs put away I'll deal with it.

I was supposed to be flying with them on the 18th but we are going with BA instead.

[Legend83]

Actions of a desperate man still in denial that his son was a murdering b4stard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39379724

[poo at Paul's]

Legend83 said:

Actions of a desperate man still in denial that his son was a murdering b4stard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39379724

I can see where his son got his wker tendancy from!

This old fart should shut the fk up, show some shame for raising a mass murderer and show some contrition to the poor victims' families.

Stupid old .

[Vaud]

Legend83 said:

Actions of a desperate man still in denial that his son was a murdering b4stard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39379724

I cannot imagine how hard it must be to come to terms with as a parent.

[Legend83]

poo at Paul's said:

I can see where his son got his wker tendancy from!

This old fart should shut the fk up, show some shame for raising a mass murderer and show some contrition to the poor victims' families.

Stupid old .

The timing and publicity of his statement is terrible and frankly offensive to the victims.

However, I can't imagine how screwed up I would be if one of my son's became infamous for mass murder.

I worry this "journalist" is looking to make a fast buck from this tragedy.

[Ayahuasca]

Legend83 said:

poo at Paul's said:

I can see where his son got his wker tendancy from!

This old fart should shut the fk up, show some shame for raising a mass murderer and show some contrition to the poor victims' families.

Stupid old .

The timing and publicity of his statement is terrible and frankly offensive to the victims.

However, I can't imagine how screwed up I would be if one of my son's became infamous for mass murder.

I worry this "journalist" is looking to make a fast buck from this tragedy.

Has it been proven beyond all doubt that the copilot did it? Could there have been a gas leak that disabled the copilot?

[Legend83]

Ayahuasca said:

Has it been proven beyond all doubt that the copilot did it? Could there have been a gas leak that disabled the copilot?

Well this was the official conclusion from the French aviation authority:

"3.2 Causes
The collision with the ground was due to the deliberate and planned action of the
co-pilot who decided to commit suicide while alone in the cockpit. The process for
medical certification of pilots, in particular self-reporting in case of decrease in medical
fitness between two periodic medical evaluations, did not succeed in preventing
the co-pilot, who was experiencing mental disorder with psychotic symptoms, from
exercising the privilege of his licence"

[poo at Paul's]

Ayahuasca said:

Legend83 said:

poo at Paul's said:

I can see where his son got his wker tendancy from!

This old fart should shut the fk up, show some shame for raising a mass murderer and show some contrition to the poor victims' families.

Stupid old .

The timing and publicity of his statement is terrible and frankly offensive to the victims.

However, I can't imagine how screwed up I would be if one of my son's became infamous for mass murder.

I worry this "journalist" is looking to make a fast buck from this tragedy.

Has it been proven beyond all doubt that the copilot did it? Could there have been a gas leak that disabled the copilot?

The only gas leak is his father talking out of his arse.

[Starfighter]

Ayahuasca said:

Has it been proven beyond all doubt that the copilot did it? Could there have been a gas leak that disabled the copilot?

Yes.

Bleed air is supplied to the whole of the aircraft including the cabin. A carbon monoxide leak would effect everyone on board. The CVR indicates the Captain using an axe on the cockpit door until impact. The source would have had to come from the cockpit only or the avionics pit below it. There are no indication of any fire and no other sources.

The CVR and FDR both show deliberate actions from the flight deck to put the aircraft in to a controlled decent. The decent was deliberate and controlled via the autopilot controls. A slump across the controls (side stick to his right) could not do this. . The decent could have been from an air traffic request but it was not as there is nothing on the CVR of air-traffic recordings. The auto pilot was adjusted by selecting a rate of decent rather than an altitude as would be the norm for a slight change in altitude to avoid weather (there was none) or turbulence.

In addition to that after the decent started there are also noises and recorded control adjustments made right up to the end, indicating the pilot to be at lease conscious. Most significantly, a positive action was made to lock the flight deck door from the control planel between the pilot seats which could not have been either accidental (knocked in error) or if the pilot was to slump after succumbing to lack of oxygen or carbon monoxide as suggested by the journalist. The cockpit door lock switch position and timing between and unlock code entry and the refuse access switch make this a conscious action by the flight deck crew. If the pilot was unable to get to the door control then the door would have been opened from the main cabin after a set amount of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEHV7c3VXs

There was only one person on the flight deck as the Captain had left to visit the loo.

[p1stonhead]

Starfighter said:

Ayahuasca said:

Has it been proven beyond all doubt that the copilot did it? Could there have been a gas leak that disabled the copilot?

Yes.

Bleed air is supplied to the whole of the aircraft including the cabin. A carbon monoxide leak would effect everyone on board. The CVR indicates the Captain using an axe on the cockpit door until impact. The source would have had to come from the cockpit only or the avionics pit below it. There are no indication of any fire and no other sources.

The CVR and FDR both show deliberate actions from the flight deck to put the aircraft in to a controlled decent. The decent was deliberate and controlled via the autopilot controls. A slump across the controls (side stick to his right) could not do this. . The decent could have been from an air traffic request but it was not as there is nothing on the CVR of air-traffic recordings. The auto pilot was adjusted by selecting a rate of decent rather than an altitude as would be the norm for a slight change in altitude to avoid weather (there was none) or turbulence.

In addition to that after the decent started there are also noises and recorded control adjustments made right up to the end, indicating the pilot to be at lease conscious. Most significantly, a positive action was made to lock the flight deck door from the control planel between the pilot seats which could not have been either accidental (knocked in error) or if the pilot was to slump after succumbing to lack of oxygen or carbon monoxide as suggested by the journalist. The cockpit door lock switch position and timing between and unlock code entry and the refuse access switch make this a conscious action by the flight deck crew. If the pilot was unable to get to the door control then the door would have been opened from the main cabin after a set amount of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEHV7c3VXs

There was only one person on the flight deck as the Captain had left to visit the loo.

Isnt it just as simple as he programmed the plane to decend sharply into a mountain? Fairly obvious incapacitation wouldnt have caused that.

[croyde]

To commit suicide and make sure that 150 souls live their last few minutes in absolute terror takes a monster that I cannot possibly imagine.

We'll never know, but why did he not just deliberately put the aircraft in a steep dive, yet instead just sat there enjoying the desperate attempts of the Captain trying to smash the door down and the terrified screams of the passengers.

A of the highest order and his Dad is a too.

Accept it you feking wker

[anonymous-user]

Legend83 said:

Actions of a desperate man still in denial that his son was a murdering b4stard?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39379724

Depression leading to murder suicide, not really the actions of a sane individual. Pretty difficult for anyone to come to terms with, especially his father.

I expect most posters would be looking for other explanations if they were the pilots father also,

[anonymous-user]

Legend83 said:

Well this was the official conclusion from the French aviation authority:

"3.2 Causes
The collision with the ground was due to the deliberate and planned action of the
co-pilot who decided to commit suicide while alone in the cockpit. The process for
medical certification of pilots, in particular self-reporting in case of decrease in medical
fitness between two periodic medical evaluations, did not succeed in preventing
the co-pilot, who was experiencing mental disorder with psychotic symptoms, from
exercising the privilege of his licence"

That's the root cause of the crash. It's a bit simplistic for people on the internet to glibly call him a murdering bd etc.

Perhaps that's just easier to understand for some,