Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(

[tescorank]

Terrible situation and my thoughts go out to the families involved, only thankful he didn't fly into a city.

[PositronicRay]

eldar said:

Depression is an illness, potentially serious - 5,000 or so people succumb to it annually in the UK. With proper, managed and maintained treatment the symptoms can usually be controlled to a large degree.

That said, I think someone with a history of depression should be disqualified from from certain occupations where there is a risk of harm to others, much as is done with other medical conditions.

Which occupations.
Bus driver?
Lollipop person?
Mechanic?
Policeman?
Nurse?
Scaffolder?
Seaman?
Cook?
Chemistry teacher?
Plumber?

How far do you take it?

[Cheese Mechanic]

Affair of the heart being mooted in the press. Apparently was engaged to be married until very recently.

[Charlie1986]

PositronicRay said:

Which occupations.
Bus driver?
Lollipop person?
Mechanic?
Policeman?
Nurse?
Scaffolder?
Seaman?
Cook?
Chemistry teacher?
Plumber?

How far do you take it?

What about the armed forces as well, Depression affects many people in different ways.

but what about line workers for the major car manufactures as they could have a bad day/week/month and decide to sabotage vehicles. I live with someone who has suffered with depression and it affects in many ways.

So if you want to exclude them from jobs there will be a lot more people that will be affected as everybody has different view on how they are affected.

[plasticpig]

eldar said:

Depression is an illness, potentially serious - 5,000 or so people succumb to it annually in the UK. With proper, managed and maintained treatment the symptoms can usually be controlled to a large degree.

That said, I think someone with a history of depression should be disqualified from from certain occupations where there is a risk of harm to others, much as is done with other medical conditions.

You could have a psychotic software engineer put a malicious Easter Egg in the avionics software and potentially bring down many aircraft. It's unlikely as it is a very heavily regulated industry and shouldn't be possible because of the procedures in place. But it could happen. It's totally unrealistic to limit the occupations as there are so many that could risk harm to others.

[LittleEnus]

el stovey said:

Your dad is playing down his old career and you're using his statement to put down his profession on the Internet.

What do you do for a living?

No I'm not. I have huge respect for pilots as my father was a hero to me. There is a chasm of difference between fast jet pilots and commercial. There is less thrill in the actual flying as there is far more process and I don't recall too many aerobatics performed in a big jet. My dad as it happens, won a Queens award for bravery for saving the lives of 79 passengers from Berlin when their BAE111 caught fire. So don't fking talk to me about putting them down. What do you do for a living?

Therefore it is a process, largely covered and audited by computer and multiple protocols. Could I do it? No. Do I respect pilots? Yes. Do I respect tube drivers? Yes.

I am not putting down a profession but merely putting it into perspective. As expected 15 pilot-types don't like that and feel the need to jump in with personal insults.

I genuinely don't want to digress this thread which I have been avidly following. What happened here is shocking but compelling. This could change the world again slightly as we know it.

[cardigankid]

Charlie1986 said:

What about the armed forces as well, Depression affects many people in different ways.

but what about line workers for the major car manufactures as they could have a bad day/week/month and decide to sabotage vehicles. I live with someone who has suffered with depression and it affects in many ways.

So if you want to exclude them from jobs there will be a lot more people that will be affected as everybody has different view on how they are affected.

It's a form of mental instability. I don't know the causes and it is not something that I have ever experienced or had to deal with. If we can help them, great, but they still should not be flying aircraft or carrying guns. I'm sorry but these are what they call tough choices. I think that we are in real danger of sending a signal to the public at large that it's OK to flip out.

Edited by cardigankid on Friday 27th March 09:00

[eldar]

PositronicRay said:

Which occupations.
Bus driver?
Lollipop person?
Mechanic?
Policeman?
Nurse?
Scaffolder?
Seaman?
Cook?
Chemistry teacher?
Plumber?

How far do you take it?

I'd limit it to occupations that have the potential for significant damage. So from your list bus driver and Police, if armed. Other occupations I'd consider? Air traffic controller, certain parts of the nuclear industry, some military tasks for example.

Basically, situations where a single person working alone could cause widespread harm.

[LittleEnus]

superkartracer said:

Not much.. looking at his ride ha ha

What a fool.

Go and play on your little pretend racecars with lawnmower engines.

[JuniorD]

Guam said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

Affair of the heart being mooted in the press. Apparently was engaged to be married until very recently.

Indeed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013743/Ge...

Looks like those castigating the poster who suggested just such a possibility earlier in the thread owe him an apology!

ETA "Yesterday, Lubitz's boss admitted he had slipped through the ‘safety net’ and should never have been flying.

Edited by Guam on Friday 27th March 08:49

If it turns out the ex was cabin Crew and was getting rooted by the captain then yes that poster is owed an apology

[WinstonWolf]

LittleEnus said:

el stovey said:

Your dad is playing down his old career and you're using his statement to put down his profession on the Internet.

What do you do for a living?

No I'm not. I have huge respect for pilots as my father was a hero to me. There is a chasm of difference between fast jet pilots and commercial. There is less thrill in the actual flying as there is far more process and I don't recall too many aerobatics performed in a big jet. My dad as it happens, won a Queens award for bravery for saving the lives of 79 passengers from Berlin when their BAE111 caught fire. So don't fking talk to me about putting them down. What do you do for a living?

Therefore it is a process, largely covered and audited by computer and multiple protocols. Could I do it? No. Do I respect pilots? Yes. Do I respect tube drivers? Yes.

I am not putting down a profession but merely putting it into perspective. As expected 15 pilot-types don't like that and feel the need to jump in with personal insults.

I genuinely don't want to digress this thread which I have been avidly following. What happened here is shocking but compelling. This could change the world again slightly as we know it.

I wonder what he does

[Hugo a Gogo]

doesn't add up, I'm afraid

a bus driver could potentially kill what, 60-70 people on the bus by driving off a big motorway bridge? a lot more than an armed policeman could hope to shoot

[anonymous-user]

LittleEnus said:

As expected 15 pilot-types don't like that and feel the need to jump in with personal insults.

I genuinely don't want to digress this thread which I have been avidly following. What happened here is shocking but compelling. This could change the world again slightly as we know it.

Eh? You walked in, un prompted and announced pilots were just glorified bus drivers. No wonder people don't like your comments. There was no one saying how awesome they were. Just you arriving and putting down their profession because you felt some perspective was required. Bit weird really.

Do you go on other threads and feel the need to put down other people's jobs?

[trashbat]

Fairly sharp joke doing the rounds:



How many of our commentards have a similarly compromised approach to MH when it comes to it?

[Digga]

The absurd tragedy of 150 people wasting at least 30 minutes of the last few hours of their lives going through the charade of airport 'security', when all alone the liability is within the crew is horrendous.

Anyway, I can offer the solution in one word: pissbottles. A two litre pop bottle each for the aircrew and no one even needs to leave their seat.

[RobinOakapple]

WinstonWolf said:

I wonder what he does

Having done a wide range of jobs, some at a professional level, and had several businesses, some of them quite surprising, I've learned not to set too much store by what people do at any one time

[Steffan]

Guam said:

Cheese Mechanic said:

Affair of the heart being mooted in the press. Apparently was engaged to be married until very recently.

Indeed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013743/Ge...

Looks like those castigating the poster who suggested just such a possibility earlier in the thread owe him an apology!

ETA "Yesterday, Lubitz's boss admitted he had slipped through the ‘safety net’ and should never have been flying.

Edited by Guam on Friday 27th March 08:49

It does indeed appear that there is pretty clear evidence that the co pilot did deliberately crash this airplane murdering 150 poor souls. If that does prove to be the case, given the fact that there were apparently psychiatric treatments being given the co pilot this will be seized upon as hopeless administration by the airline and the rules governing the training, montiring and manning of such personnel will be massively improved.

However I think there is a real conundrum in this for air travel generally. In order to prevent hijacking the security of the pilots the cabin security has become so strong that this kind of madness by an individual is now possible. I would expect a complete revision of these security arrangements and a compete rethink on whether in fact the current approach is actually the safest solution.

Absolute tragedy for those killed and I cannot imagine the gut wrenching fear that this must have created in the final moments of the flight. Equally the relatives who are left to mourn the losses including whole families, in these appalling murders, must be mindless with fear and concern over the appalling deaths of all these people. I do hope that fact that the details have emerged reasonably quickly do assist in the relatives finding closure in this tragedy. I doubt that any of those effected will ever be able to forget this dreadful act.

[LittleEnus]

el stovey said:

Eh? You walked in, un prompted and announced pilots were just glorified bus drivers. No wonder people don't like your comments. There was no one saying how awesome they were. Just you arriving and putting down their profession because you felt some perspective was required. Bit weird really.

Do you go on other threads and feel the need to put down other people's jobs?

If you look back at my comment, I was agreeing with somebody else that made the point. Why don't you jump down his throat?

I am NOT putting down pilots, I am just adding perspective. You could even argue that it helps understand this current situation- these are ordinary guys doing sometimes mundane jobs- stuff like this can happen (metal health issues)

I take it you are a pilot? How does your profession differ from a Virgin Trains driver or a tube driver? I think all of you do responsible and important jobs and look after thousands of lives. Yes you have far more training but the essence is the same no?

Also don't just choose part of my quote to make it all look worse, I also said

'No I'm not. I have huge respect for pilots as my father was a hero to me. There is a chasm of difference between fast jet pilots and commercial. There is less thrill in the actual flying as there is far more process and I don't recall too many aerobatics performed in a big jet. My dad as it happens, won a Queens award for bravery for saving the lives of 79 passengers from Berlin when their BAE111 caught fire. So don't fking talk to me about putting them down. What do you do for a living?

Therefore it is a process, largely covered and audited by computer and multiple protocols. Could I do it? No. Do I respect pilots? Yes. Do I respect tube drivers? Yes.'

Edited by LittleEnus on Friday 27th March 09:19

[nyxster]

Guam said:

Indeed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3013743/Ge...

Looks like those castigating the poster who suggested just such a possibility earlier in the thread owe him an apology!

ETA "Yesterday, Lubitz's boss admitted he had slipped through the ‘safety net’ and should never have been flying.

Edited by Guam on Friday 27th March 08:49

I won't hold my breath. If Poirot came on pistonheads and said the murderer did it in the library with a dagger at 2:32pm, half a dozen posters would dogpile on the fact the exact time of death was 2:34pm and it was a bread knife not a dagger.

It's easy to understand why certain individuals find it difficult to comprehend why a bloke would lose his marbles over a woman when their idea of a long term relationship is whacking off to the same internet porno webcam girl twice in a row.

[SilverSixer]

tannhauser said:

SilverSixer said:

2013BRM said:

It's not irregular no, but it's far from frequent. In my experience the crew sort out their ablutions before the passengers come aboard so if that theory is correct you have to assume he had several trips where the opportunity did not arise. That level of thinking when suicidal is breathtaking

Exactly. He'd have thrown himself under the airport train on the way home long before this, surely? It can't have been the first flight after he'd formulated the plan and the Pilot fortuitously sodded off for a wazz. After several non-wazzing Pilot flights our man would have offed himself some other way, wouldn't he? This isn't London to Aukland non-stop, it's Barcelona to Dusseldorf. Pilots on that route surely avoid the need to leave the cabin by having a slash before going. The flight wasn't delayed after boarding, was it?

Edited by SilverSixer on Thursday 26th March 15:48

Jesus Christ, what is your obsession with whether the captain went for a wazz or not; or why?! What is so unusual about someone needing a slash over a 1/2 hour period?! Why would he avoid the need?! There's not much to do up there mid-flight!

Perhaps he flew with this pilot frequently; and his MO was that he went for a slash every time the plane levelled off?!

Also, suicide by plane crash is pretty painless I'd say. Throwing yourself in front of a train can be survivable, if you fk it up - wedged between the platform, or trapped underneath. Death by plane crash is of this nature is 100% guaranteed - and all the more dramatic too, if that's what you're after - a big fk you to all concerned and those who knew him?

Because a suicide plan involving the off-chance that someone else might need a wee in a 2 hour window is highly dubious. It's not a very good plan, is it? If you really want to off yourself, you won't formulate a plan reliant on someone else needing a slash. Suicides by their nature tend to involve people taking full control of their own situation, not relying one someone else's bladder.