Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(
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trashbat said:
cardigankid said:
We have all known people who are on the edge and either a danger to themselves and others. People who cannot deal with reality should be taken out of circulation and sent to Sierra Leone to deal with the Ebola crisis, then they might understand what real s
t is like, and come back better people.
Just to be clear: that's your idea of mental health treatment, is it?t is like, and come back better people.cardigankid said:
Wish I knew what you are on about. It is becoming increasingly clear that it was someone's fault. However someone else must have known or should have known that this man was mentally unstable, and the problem is that it is very hard to just sack people because you think they are the wrong stuff, which some people just are. That needs to be possible, and there need to be people prepared to do it, without being sued.
We have all known people who are on the edge and either a danger to themselves and others. People who cannot deal with reality should be taken out of circulation and sent to Sierra Leone to deal with the Ebola crisis, then they might understand what real st is like, and come back better people.
Furthermore, no excuse is acceptable for murdering 150 innocent people.
Lufthansa/German Wing to their eternal disgrace allowed a totally unsuitable individual access to the cockpit of an aircraft. This is likely to cost them a colossal amount of money. So it should.
I'm not sure if you're trolling, or just a narrow minded idiot? Could you explain to me how sending vulnerable, ill people to a stressful, highly-pressured environment, where human tragedy abounds will improve their symptoms?We have all known people who are on the edge and either a danger to themselves and others. People who cannot deal with reality should be taken out of circulation and sent to Sierra Leone to deal with the Ebola crisis, then they might understand what real s
t is like, and come back better people.Furthermore, no excuse is acceptable for murdering 150 innocent people.
Lufthansa/German Wing to their eternal disgrace allowed a totally unsuitable individual access to the cockpit of an aircraft. This is likely to cost them a colossal amount of money. So it should.
Attitudes like yours belong in the dark ages and need to be driven from society ASAP!
jogger1976 said:
I'm not sure if you're trolling, or just a narrow minded idiot? Could you explain to me how sending vulnerable, ill people to a stressful, highly-pressured environment, where human tragedy abounds will improve their symptoms?
Attitudes like yours belong in the dark ages and need to be driven from society ASAP!
Indeed. He/she managed the Hitler comparison last night, so the above is positively tolerant.Attitudes like yours belong in the dark ages and need to be driven from society ASAP!
I've only had a very slight brush with someone with mental health issues - friend at college who tried to commit suicide. However, you really do not need personal experience to undertand it, just an empathetic personality.
Think of someone who has just broken their leg and cannot walk. If you think they should just get up and get on with things you obviously have no understanding of how the body works.
Now replace leg with brain. If you think someone with a mental health issue, a 'brain break' for want of a better term, should simply be able to snap out of it, then you have absolutely no idea what's going on.
I feel sorry for all involved in this tragedy.
Think of someone who has just broken their leg and cannot walk. If you think they should just get up and get on with things you obviously have no understanding of how the body works.
Now replace leg with brain. If you think someone with a mental health issue, a 'brain break' for want of a better term, should simply be able to snap out of it, then you have absolutely no idea what's going on.
I feel sorry for all involved in this tragedy.
Pesty said:
M4cruiser said:
A few pages ago in this thread someone said the crew can always gain access to the cockpit, but he/she wouldn't say how, (for reasons I understand).
So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
It's been covered in depth even with drawings.So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
The switch has three positions. Open, and norm. With the code you can get in.
Locked you can't for a number of minutes which is configurable. It's normally on norm so a code can open the door from outside.
The dick must have put it on lock so he could murder everybody on the plane.
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The switch has three positions. Open, and norm. With the code you can get in.
Locked you can't for a number of minutes which is configurable. It's normally on norm so a code can open the door from outside.
The dick must have put it on lock so he could murder everybody on the plane.Well, if that's right then it looks like the manufacturer hasn't thought this through fully. Why on earth wouldn't they allow for the possibility of a bad pilot? There needs to be another way in, for a legitimate occupant. These airplanes are only 99% complete!How many times has this happened? Why on earth would Airbus or Boeing plan for something so massively unlikely?
M4cruiser said:
Pesty said:
M4cruiser said:
A few pages ago in this thread someone said the crew can always gain access to the cockpit, but he/she wouldn't say how, (for reasons I understand).
So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
It's been covered in depth even with drawings.So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
The switch has three positions. Open, and norm. With the code you can get in.
Locked you can't for a number of minutes which is configurable. It's normally on norm so a code can open the door from outside.
The dick must have put it on lock so he could murder everybody on the plane.
M4cruiser said:
Well, if that's right then it looks like the manufacturer hasn't thought this through fully. Why on earth wouldn't they allow for the possibility of a bad pilot? There needs to be another way in, for a legitimate occupant. These airplanes are only 99% complete!
But how do you do that and allow for someone acting under duress?garyhun said:
I've only had a very slight brush with someone with mental health issues - friend at college who tried to commit suicide. However, you really do not need personal experience to undertand it, just an empathetic personality.
Think of someone who has just broken their leg and cannot walk. If you think they should just get up and get on with things you obviously have no understanding of how the body works.
Now replace leg with brain. If you think someone with a mental health issue, a 'brain break' for want of a better term, should simply be able to snap out of it, then you have absolutely no idea what's going on.
I feel sorry for all involved in this tragedy.
I couldn't agree more. I have spent some time today thinking about the parents of those 16 children on that flight. And I have spent an equal amount of time thinking about the parents of that copilot. I work on the railway (such a 'popular' way to end the pain) and I so regularly hear about how *selfish* suicide victims are. What we forget is that these 'selfish individuals' are actually the victims of an illness or disease. They are not the perpetrators. This poor chap must also have been controlled by his demons. Think of someone who has just broken their leg and cannot walk. If you think they should just get up and get on with things you obviously have no understanding of how the body works.
Now replace leg with brain. If you think someone with a mental health issue, a 'brain break' for want of a better term, should simply be able to snap out of it, then you have absolutely no idea what's going on.
I feel sorry for all involved in this tragedy.
If the rest of us can't grasp even this small concept, then we as a society have no chance of ever contributing to fixing the problem of mental illness. If all we do is blame the victim, then we drive the victim to hide the illness, and therefore make them (and us) more vulnerable.
It's a tragedy for everyone on that flight, and their families. Including the poor tortured soul who hit the button.
Rude Girl said:
I couldn't agree more. I have spent some time today thinking about the parents of those 16 children on that flight. And I have spent an equal amount of time thinking about the parents of that copilot. I work on the railway (such a 'popular' way to end the pain) and I so regularly hear about how *selfish* suicide victims are. What we forget is that these 'selfish individuals' are actually the victims of an illness or disease. They are not the perpetrators. This poor chap must also have been controlled by his demons.
If the rest of us can't grasp even this small concept, then we as a society have no chance of ever contributing to fixing the problem of mental illness. If all we do is blame the victim, then we drive the victim to hide the illness, and therefore make them (and us) more vulnerable.
It's a tragedy for everyone on that flight, and their families. Including the poor tortured soul who hit the button.
And I agree totally with this.If the rest of us can't grasp even this small concept, then we as a society have no chance of ever contributing to fixing the problem of mental illness. If all we do is blame the victim, then we drive the victim to hide the illness, and therefore make them (and us) more vulnerable.
It's a tragedy for everyone on that flight, and their families. Including the poor tortured soul who hit the button.
nyxster said:
I won't hold my breath. If Poirot came on pistonheads and said the murderer did it in the library with a dagger at 2:32pm, half a dozen posters would dogpile on the fact the exact time of death was 2:34pm and it was a bread knife not a dagger.
It's easy to understand why certain individuals find it difficult to comprehend why a bloke would lose his marbles over a woman when their idea of a long term relationship is whacking off to the same internet porno webcam girl twice in a row.
Twice? What a perv.It's easy to understand why certain individuals find it difficult to comprehend why a bloke would lose his marbles over a woman when their idea of a long term relationship is whacking off to the same internet porno webcam girl twice in a row.
M4cruiser said:
Pesty said:
M4cruiser said:
A few pages ago in this thread someone said the crew can always gain access to the cockpit, but he/she wouldn't say how, (for reasons I understand).
So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
It's been covered in depth even with drawings.So where is that poster now? Can you please explain this? It seems the pilot couldn't get back in, if today's reports are correct.
The switch has three positions. Open, and norm. With the code you can get in.
Locked you can't for a number of minutes which is configurable. It's normally on norm so a code can open the door from outside.
The dick must have put it on lock so he could murder everybody on the plane.
The issue will be fixed somehow .... but nothing will ever cope with the unforeseen
Mark-C said:
20/20 Hindsight is great isn’t it? So you give another way in and how long before everybody knows about it ... including the terrorists that it’s designed to stop.
The issue will be fixed somehow .... but nothing will ever cope with the unforeseen
Quite. Life is a constant series of compromises, there is no perfect system or process.The issue will be fixed somehow .... but nothing will ever cope with the unforeseen
So very sad, but also a potential clusterfk going forward.
So what happens now if Al Quaeda announce that since 911, they've infiltrated the world's airlines with over a hundred of sleeper cell suicide pilots, who are going to be randomly doing st like this over the next 10 years?
Would it cause mayhem in the industry? How many people would just stop flying?
k going forward. So what happens now if Al Quaeda announce that since 911, they've infiltrated the world's airlines with over a hundred of sleeper cell suicide pilots, who are going to be randomly doing s
t like this over the next 10 years? Would it cause mayhem in the industry? How many people would just stop flying?
majordad said:
What we are dealing with here is the almost impossibe, something that really cannot be legislated for IMHO.
Except it has happened several times.http://news.aviation-safety.net/2013/12/22/list-of...
Very similar circumstances of the other pilot leaving the flight deck followed by a descent into terrain in 4 other incidents, not counting the one this week.
ON a brighter note, going back to this from earlier:
tvrolet said:
But from my perspective I just think this is going the wrong way. I'm a frequent flyer (50+ flights per year) and I think the flight crew (not just the cabin crew) need to better engage with the passengers for a start. I know we're mockingly called SLF - self loading freight - but we're not freight. We're people; with families and loved ones, hopes and aspirations. I want to know the flight crew appreciate who we are and engage with us. At least some flight crew bid welcome or goodbye at the cockpit door on embarkation or departure...but they should all do it. Sure I know they want to make sure their butts get there safe...but I want to know they're concerned about our butts too, and our well-being. Would this bloke have done it with his mother on board? What about if his best friend was there. What if he'd looked in to the eyes of the kids getting on? Who knows - but it sure isn't going to make things worse.
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