Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(
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cardigankid said:
GSE said:
This is a typical response from those who have never suffered or understand depression. Can I suggest that you get a grip and do some research before posting. Depression means that you slowly stop to function, simple everyday tasks become difficult and you are unable to 'get as grip', as the uninformed love to quote.
There are various ways around it through cognitive therapy and drugs, but there seems to be no guarantee of a positive result and sometimes the effects get worse on the journey. Empathising is most certainly not counterproductive.
It seems this guy might have have developed criminal intent for some time, possibly as a consequence of the depression - the two combined have brought about this dreadful tragedy. Knee jerk reactions and name calling are the last things needed: The cockpit door policy invoked after 9/11 had a major flaw in that it was possible for someone in the Cockpit to completely lock out everyone else on board
Bluntly, I don't want people with mental illnesses piloting aircraft. As I see it, you do, for reasons associated with political correctness and because everybody is nice to each other these days aren't they? All I am saying is that those with mental stability issues should be excluded from flying aircraft full stop. There is a more general point here as well. I don't care what this man 'suffered from'. When you deliberately kill innocent third parties you have crossed a line beyond which sympathy does not exist. No one will recall their identity with anything other than disgust. We have seen a number of people like this, from serial killers, to crazed schoolboys, gunmen. In most cases, and also in this case, there have acquaintances or friends who knew they presented a risk but said nothing. His ex girlfriend for example. The police who gave Thomas Hamilton his firearms licence knew he was odd, but either could not or would not exercise the judgement call that would have deprived him of his weapons. Result dead children.There are various ways around it through cognitive therapy and drugs, but there seems to be no guarantee of a positive result and sometimes the effects get worse on the journey. Empathising is most certainly not counterproductive.
It seems this guy might have have developed criminal intent for some time, possibly as a consequence of the depression - the two combined have brought about this dreadful tragedy. Knee jerk reactions and name calling are the last things needed: The cockpit door policy invoked after 9/11 had a major flaw in that it was possible for someone in the Cockpit to completely lock out everyone else on board
I would rather have a few people unnecessarily locked away than a dangerous nutcase given the benefit of the doubt. Why for example are the James Bulger killers considered for parole? An individual whose mentality is such that they enjoy torturing toddlers is and always will be beyond any kind of help. It would be best, and probably a kindness to them, to give them a lethal injection, were it legal to do so.
This is entirely separate from the organisational issues relating to locks etc. However good your systems are, you cannot exclude the possibility of this kind of rampage without taking the dangerously mentally unstable out of society.
Most of these people have become estranged from society in their youth. I am all for trying to help them if you can. Once their personality is fully formed there may be little you can do but take them out of circulation.
Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 28th March 19:56
Well, I never realised it was so easy. We should just make you Minister for Health and let everyone benefit from your insight.
TheSnitch said:
Right, so just to recap, you want to send anyone with depression to Africa to manage the Ebola outbreak to stop them ''feeling sorry for themselves'', you want to put to death - as a kindness to them - two killers who were ten years old at the time they committed their crime, and finally you would permanently lock away anyone diagnosed with a mental illness just on the offchance that they may become deranged and go on the rampage and you can spot them because they have become ''estranged from society in their youth''.
Well, I never realised it was so easy. We should just make you Minister for Health and let everyone benefit from your insight.
...and presumably any airline pilot that has ever had depression has to keep quiet about it or lose their job, no question of treatment.Well, I never realised it was so easy. We should just make you Minister for Health and let everyone benefit from your insight.
wilwak said:
I've Always thought that having two pilots in the cockpit was for safety. I've never felt happy seeing one leave the cockpit and proceed to stand in the main cabin chatting with the cabin crew for 30 minutes. What happens if the remaining cockpit pilot has a sudden heart attack or simply makes a serious mistake?
I think both pilots should remain in the cockpit for the entire flight and they should have their own bathroom facilities.
But hard to retrofit in the foreseeable future?I think both pilots should remain in the cockpit for the entire flight and they should have their own bathroom facilities.
Pesty said:
Boozy said:
Then you don't understand depression, you're trying to rationalize someone whose mindset doesn't understand or take into account the people in the back of the plane.
How does this latest revelations fit? Far from not taking into account the passengers, they were part of the plan. Does this fit with a sudden depression while on deck?
He's planned this for a while.
Did the depressive want to involve others in his suicide plan? Of course he did.
Langweilig said:
A few years ago, I had to walk home from work because of a depressive who wanted to top himself by jumping off a motorway bridge. Of course, the traffic tailbacks soon led to gridlock.
Did the depressive want to involve others in his suicide plan? Of course he did.
You assume they were thinking rationally Did the depressive want to involve others in his suicide plan? Of course he did.
Vaud said:
wilwak said:
I've Always thought that having two pilots in the cockpit was for safety. I've never felt happy seeing one leave the cockpit and proceed to stand in the main cabin chatting with the cabin crew for 30 minutes. What happens if the remaining cockpit pilot has a sudden heart attack or simply makes a serious mistake?
I think both pilots should remain in the cockpit for the entire flight and they should have their own bathroom facilities.
But hard to retrofit in the foreseeable future?I think both pilots should remain in the cockpit for the entire flight and they should have their own bathroom facilities.
Air travel is still massively cheaper than travelling by train or coach long distance over Europe. I can travel 3000 miles for less than £100 including all taxes by air. Three hours out, three hours back The train woud take at least six times longer each way,with the changes requured and cost massively more. No contest really. And the risk of injury or accident will be significantly lower travelling by air.
I have every sympathy for the the poor souls lost in this murderous carnage. I have every sympathy for the relatives of the victims. I understand how difficult this security issue has become. But I think we need to remeber that air travel enables modern lifestyles to be enjoyed where international travel is available to all at remarkable low cost. The airlines will agree a new approach and the safety of passengers will be assured. It will take some time but it will happen.. The actions of one murderous individual, have had devastating cisequences, and will bring about changes. But air travel is the future for long distance safer travel.
Steffan said:
But perhaps the only way to actually isolate both pilots from outside interference? I think this conundrum requires a serious period of consideration before any final answers can be decided. Air travel is still the safest way to travel. I will be flying back to the UK and then back to Europe regularly personally, without the slightest cincern for my safety over the course of the next fortnight. I am not brave or especially foolish I just cannot travel the distances required in the time available in any other way.
Air travel is still massively cheaper than travelling by train or coach long distance over Europe. I can travel 3000 miles for less than £100 including all taxes by air. Three hours out, three hours back The train woud take at least six times longer each way,with the changes requured and cost massively more. No contest really. And the risk of injury or accident will be significantly lower travelling by air.
I have every sympathy for the the poor souls lost in this murderous carnage. I have every sympathy for the relatives of the victims. I understand how difficult this security issue has become. But I think we need to remeber that air travel enables modern lifestyles to be enjoyed where international travel is available to all at remarkable low cost. The airlines will agree a new approach and the safety of passengers will be assured. It will take some time but it will happen.. The actions of one murderous individual, have had devastating cisequences, and will bring about changes. But air travel is the future for long distance safer travel.
Good points and well made. I'm flying tomorrow, Tues and Wed...short haul, Europe. I'm more worried about my taxi driver to the airport as he is a nice guy but he is a bit "brave".Air travel is still massively cheaper than travelling by train or coach long distance over Europe. I can travel 3000 miles for less than £100 including all taxes by air. Three hours out, three hours back The train woud take at least six times longer each way,with the changes requured and cost massively more. No contest really. And the risk of injury or accident will be significantly lower travelling by air.
I have every sympathy for the the poor souls lost in this murderous carnage. I have every sympathy for the relatives of the victims. I understand how difficult this security issue has become. But I think we need to remeber that air travel enables modern lifestyles to be enjoyed where international travel is available to all at remarkable low cost. The airlines will agree a new approach and the safety of passengers will be assured. It will take some time but it will happen.. The actions of one murderous individual, have had devastating cisequences, and will bring about changes. But air travel is the future for long distance safer travel.
Bob
Anyone mentally unstable at any time should be excluded from responsible jobs.
Those known to be a threat to others safety, having expressed a desire to commit some diabolical act, as this pathetic inadequate little prat did, should be locked up.
It's not actually terribly difficult. There were people who knew that inconsequential punk planned something like this yet they did nothing. They are not terribly hard to identify. I've met them. I was at primary school with a murderer. He was just a sad retarded individual who did not have the equipment to deal with life. He ended up in jail, where he should have been from the off. We all knew he was subnormal. All it takes is the quality of decision to deal with them. These incidents happen because the inadequate are tolerated today to an unprecedented degree.
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
TheSnitch said:
Right, so just to recap, you want to send anyone with depression to Africa to manage the Ebola outbreak to stop them ''feeling sorry for themselves'', you want to put to death - as a kindness to them - two killers who were ten years old at the time they committed their crime, and finally you would permanently lock away anyone diagnosed with a mental illness just on the offchance that they may become deranged and go on the rampage and you can spot them because they have become ''estranged from society in their youth''.
Well, I never realised it was so easy. We should just make you Minister for Health and let everyone benefit from your insight.
Not quite. Well, I never realised it was so easy. We should just make you Minister for Health and let everyone benefit from your insight.
Anyone mentally unstable at any time should be excluded from responsible jobs.
Those known to be a threat to others safety, having expressed a desire to commit some diabolical act, as this pathetic inadequate little prat did, should be locked up.
It's not actually terribly difficult. There were people who knew that inconsequential punk planned something like this yet they did nothing. They are not terribly hard to identify. I've met them. I was at primary school with a murderer. He was just a sad retarded individual who did not have the equipment to deal with life. He ended up in jail, where he should have been from the off. We all knew he was subnormal. All it takes is the quality of decision to deal with them. These incidents happen because the inadequate are tolerated today to an unprecedented degree.
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 28th March 22:50
Dr Jekyll said:
...and presumably any airline pilot that has ever had depression has to keep quiet about it or lose their job, no question of treatment.
If the screening process is unable to identify them it is not fit for purpose. Any trace of mental instability, out, whether it is for flying a plane or driving a bus. 
cardigankid said:
Not quite.
Anyone mentally unstable at any time should be excluded from responsible jobs.
Those known to be a threat to others safety, having expressed a desire to commit some diabolical act, as this pathetic inadequate little prat did, should be locked up.
It's not actually terribly difficult. There were people who knew that inconsequential punk planned something like this yet they did nothing. They are not terribly hard to identify. I've. Met them. I was at primary school with a murderer. We all knew he was subnormal. All it takes is the quality of decision to deal with them. These incidents happen because the inadequate are tolerated to an unprecedented degree.
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
Your plan just means people won't admit to suffering from mental illness and will go to work when they should not. You won't be able to identify them. Anyone mentally unstable at any time should be excluded from responsible jobs.
Those known to be a threat to others safety, having expressed a desire to commit some diabolical act, as this pathetic inadequate little prat did, should be locked up.
It's not actually terribly difficult. There were people who knew that inconsequential punk planned something like this yet they did nothing. They are not terribly hard to identify. I've. Met them. I was at primary school with a murderer. We all knew he was subnormal. All it takes is the quality of decision to deal with them. These incidents happen because the inadequate are tolerated to an unprecedented degree.
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
This has been a really interesting thread but your posts stand out as being a bit hysterical and ignorant. Thankfully nobody will take them seriously.
Vaud said:
Langweilig said:
A few years ago, I had to walk home from work because of a depressive who wanted to top himself by jumping off a motorway bridge. Of course, the traffic tailbacks soon led to gridlock.
Did the depressive want to involve others in his suicide plan? Of course he did.
You assume they were thinking rationally Did the depressive want to involve others in his suicide plan? Of course he did.
cardigankid said:
Dr Jekyll said:
...and presumably any airline pilot that has ever had depression has to keep quiet about it or lose their job, no question of treatment.
If the screening process is unable to identify them it is not fit for purpose. Any trace of mental instability, out, whether it is for flying a plane or driving a bus. cardigankid said:
Bob
Anyone mentally unstable at any time should be excluded from responsible jobs.
Those known to be a threat to others safety, having expressed a desire to commit some diabolical act, as this pathetic inadequate little prat did, should be locked up.
It's not actually terribly difficult. There were people who knew that inconsequential punk planned something like this yet they did nothing. They are not terribly hard to identify. I've met them. I was at primary school with a murderer. He was just a sad retarded individual who did not have the equipment to deal with life. He ended up in jail, where he should have been from the off. We all knew he was subnormal. All it takes is the quality of decision to deal with them. These incidents happen because the inadequate are tolerated today to an unprecedented degree.
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
Is there any chance we can get you on Mastermind? It seems a shame to let all this insight go to waste. TheSnitch said:
Right, so just to recap, you want to send anyone with depression to Africa to manage the Ebola outbreak to stop them ''feeling sorry for themselves'', you want to put to death - as a kindness to them - two killers who were ten years old at the time they committed their crime, and finally you would permanently lock away anyone diagnosed with a mental illness just on the offchance that they may become deranged and go on the rampage and you can spot them because they have become ''estranged from society in their youth''.
Well, I never realised it was so easy. We should just make you Minister for Health and let everyone benefit from your insight.
Not quite. Well, I never realised it was so easy. We should just make you Minister for Health and let everyone benefit from your insight.
Anyone mentally unstable at any time should be excluded from responsible jobs.
Those known to be a threat to others safety, having expressed a desire to commit some diabolical act, as this pathetic inadequate little prat did, should be locked up.
It's not actually terribly difficult. There were people who knew that inconsequential punk planned something like this yet they did nothing. They are not terribly hard to identify. I've met them. I was at primary school with a murderer. He was just a sad retarded individual who did not have the equipment to deal with life. He ended up in jail, where he should have been from the off. We all knew he was subnormal. All it takes is the quality of decision to deal with them. These incidents happen because the inadequate are tolerated today to an unprecedented degree.
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 28th March 22:50
Silver993tt said:
cardigankid said:
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
Personally, I'd be happy for him to be considered as flight-crew material providing he gets some counselling and addresses his OCD/anger-management issues.
But that's just going to boil his piss even more
cardigankid said:
Not quite.
Anyone mentally unstable at any time should be excluded from responsible jobs.
Those known to be a threat to others safety, having expressed a desire to commit some diabolical act, as this pathetic inadequate little prat did, should be locked up.
It's not actually terribly difficult. Tjhere were people who knew that inconsequential punk planned something like this yet they did nothing. They are not terribly hard to identify. I've met them. I was at primary school with a murderer. He was just a sad retarded individual who did not have the equipment to deal with life. He ended up in jail, where he should have been from the off. We all knew he was subnormal. All it takes is the quality of decision to deal with them. These incidents happen because the inadequate are tolerated today to an unprecedented degree.
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
I sincerely hope that some seemingly inconsequential happenstance should afflict you with an acute bout of depression. Then you might actually understand what it means to be mentally ill, you Anyone mentally unstable at any time should be excluded from responsible jobs.
Those known to be a threat to others safety, having expressed a desire to commit some diabolical act, as this pathetic inadequate little prat did, should be locked up.
It's not actually terribly difficult. Tjhere were people who knew that inconsequential punk planned something like this yet they did nothing. They are not terribly hard to identify. I've met them. I was at primary school with a murderer. He was just a sad retarded individual who did not have the equipment to deal with life. He ended up in jail, where he should have been from the off. We all knew he was subnormal. All it takes is the quality of decision to deal with them. These incidents happen because the inadequate are tolerated today to an unprecedented degree.
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 28th March 22:50
. cardigankid said:
I would rather have a few people unnecessarily locked away than a dangerous nutcase given the benefit of the doubt. Why for example are the James Bulger killers considered for parole? An individual whose mentality is such that they enjoy torturing toddlers is and always will be beyond any kind of help. It would be best, and probably a kindness to them, to give them a lethal injection, were it legal to do so.
So you don't just want to deny them their livelihood, you want them incarcerated as well? There's no danger of any adverse consequences of that policy, no-one will be at all motivated to hide mental illness with this in play. 
If only we all had your preternatural ability to diagnose mental illness; perish the thought that you might succumb to it in future, will you turn yourself in?
cardigankid said:
Mental illness is not the same as physical illness. It is weakness and instability.
Outstanding; are you really as crass and ignorant as your posts imply, or are you a particularly distasteful troll?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff