Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(
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JuniorD said:
I think part of this guy's problem is that he was probably desperate to be a pilot from a young age and convinced himself that unless he did so he'd be a nobody with a s
t/unfulfilled/not worth living life. He busted his gut to get there (it's not easy to get to where he did), made huge sacrifices, and had to defeat a tonne of adversity to make it. Then, he finally makes it, but finds that life and relationships are still st, work is pretty st and far from the hoped for solution to all his dreams, and he's still the unhappy guy he always was. To top that, he is probably going to have a curtailed career with his various medical issues and that he'll end up as that nobody that he desperatedly didn't want to be in the first place. To him, no career is no life. So, he see's no way out of the inevitable spiral he finds himself in. The moment he locked the captain out of the cockpit his career is inevitably finished. His decsion is made and his fate is sealed one way or another.
Excellent summary, pretty much nailed it there I reckon.t/unfulfilled/not worth living life. He busted his gut to get there (it's not easy to get to where he did), made huge sacrifices, and had to defeat a tonne of adversity to make it. Then, he finally makes it, but finds that life and relationships are still st, work is pretty st and far from the hoped for solution to all his dreams, and he's still the unhappy guy he always was. To top that, he is probably going to have a curtailed career with his various medical issues and that he'll end up as that nobody that he desperatedly didn't want to be in the first place. To him, no career is no life. So, he see's no way out of the inevitable spiral he finds himself in. The moment he locked the captain out of the cockpit his career is inevitably finished. His decsion is made and his fate is sealed one way or another. anonymous said:
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To most guys this is true, but to someone with mental issues it may be the final straw. You mock and take the piss out of friends, but you don't go to an asylum and do the same.The problem is of course, to know who can take it and who may, or will do something silly.
Should we ban piss taking? Absolutely not. Should we try to find a way to get the the mentally unstable, or otherwise unfit taken off duty from jobs that have a potential to kill hundreds of people? Definitely.
RobinOakapple said:
JuniorD said:
I think part of this guy's problem is that he was probably desperate to be a pilot from a young age and convinced himself that unless he did so he'd be a nobody with a st/unfulfilled/not worth living life. He busted his gut to get there (it's not easy to get to where he did), made huge sacrifices, and had to defeat a tonne of adversity to make it. Then, he finally makes it, but finds that life and relationships are still st, work is pretty st and far from the hoped for solution to all his dreams, and he's still the unhappy guy he always was. To top that, he is probably going to have a curtailed career with his various medical issues and that he'll end up as that nobody that he desperatedly didn't want to be in the first place. To him, no career is no life. So, he see's no way out of the inevitable spiral he finds himself in. The moment he locked the captain out of the cockpit his career is inevitably finished. His decsion is made and his fate is sealed one way or another.
Excellent summary, pretty much nailed it there I reckon.t/unfulfilled/not worth living life. He busted his gut to get there (it's not easy to get to where he did), made huge sacrifices, and had to defeat a tonne of adversity to make it. Then, he finally makes it, but finds that life and relationships are still st, work is pretty st and far from the hoped for solution to all his dreams, and he's still the unhappy guy he always was. To top that, he is probably going to have a curtailed career with his various medical issues and that he'll end up as that nobody that he desperatedly didn't want to be in the first place. To him, no career is no life. So, he see's no way out of the inevitable spiral he finds himself in. The moment he locked the captain out of the cockpit his career is inevitably finished. His decsion is made and his fate is sealed one way or another. hornetrider said:
RobinOakapple said:
JuniorD said:
I think part of this guy's problem is that he was probably desperate to be a pilot from a young age and convinced himself that unless he did so he'd be a nobody with a st/unfulfilled/not worth living life. He busted his gut to get there (it's not easy to get to where he did), made huge sacrifices, and had to defeat a tonne of adversity to make it. Then, he finally makes it, but finds that life and relationships are still st, work is pretty st and far from the hoped for solution to all his dreams, and he's still the unhappy guy he always was. To top that, he is probably going to have a curtailed career with his various medical issues and that he'll end up as that nobody that he desperatedly didn't want to be in the first place. To him, no career is no life. So, he see's no way out of the inevitable spiral he finds himself in. The moment he locked the captain out of the cockpit his career is inevitably finished. His decsion is made and his fate is sealed one way or another.
Excellent summary, pretty much nailed it there I reckon.t/unfulfilled/not worth living life. He busted his gut to get there (it's not easy to get to where he did), made huge sacrifices, and had to defeat a tonne of adversity to make it. Then, he finally makes it, but finds that life and relationships are still st, work is pretty st and far from the hoped for solution to all his dreams, and he's still the unhappy guy he always was. To top that, he is probably going to have a curtailed career with his various medical issues and that he'll end up as that nobody that he desperatedly didn't want to be in the first place. To him, no career is no life. So, he see's no way out of the inevitable spiral he finds himself in. The moment he locked the captain out of the cockpit his career is inevitably finished. His decsion is made and his fate is sealed one way or another. 
Dr Jekyll said:
That makes the suicide relatively explicable, but it's the taking of all the passengers with him that is bizarre.
He's now in charge. He's retaken control of his life and has power over his employer, his career and all the passengers. Everyone is going to remember his name. Dr Jekyll said:
anonymous said:
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Quite right 
Boys bond by exchanging insults they don't mean, girls by exchanging compliments they don't mean.
It's a "class" thing - look how much the piss gets taken out of John Prescott and Carole Middleton, for example.
Sheepshanks said:
Hmmm...not so sure about that. I don't know that industry other than as a user, but can well imagine that crossing the chasm from cabin crew to flight crew would be extremely difficult.
I knew the first female BA cabin crew member to make the transition to the flightdeck. She was cool, but had to endure the nickname "granny" as she was older than the rest of the cadets in the class. Sheepshanks said:
Hmmm...not so sure about that. I don't know that industry other than as a user, but can well imagine that crossing the chasm from cabin crew to flight crew would be extremely difficult.
Not unusual in some airlines for potential flight crew to spend some time as cabin crew. I did some of my Pitts conversion with a chap - sadly no longer with us - who spent some time doing that early in his career before ending up as a Concorde FO and 747 Captain.Sheepshanks said:
Dr Jekyll said:
anonymous said:
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Quite right Boys bond by exchanging insults they don't mean, girls by exchanging compliments they don't mean.
It's a "class" thing - look how much the piss gets taken out of John Prescott and Carole Middleton, for example.
k themselves and get on with being st hot at your job.Finlandia said:
Completely off topic, but a good film to watch is The Voices, with Ryan Reynolds, it shows what goes on inside the head of a deeply disturbed person, and it may give a better understanding for the tragic events seen here.
That looks very good actually.....So, opinion time then. Will this lead to cockpit doors being less secure?
Davie_GLA said:
Will this lead to cockpit doors being less secure?
No!The only ramifications that could possible come out of this could be some additional medical type checks/background checks. Flights deck doors will not be touched.
Another point regarding pilot checks:- Many pilots I work with have 2 doctors; in different countries. One for themselves and one for their flight medical. It's kind of handy that way to only tell the Flight Doc what he needs to know.
if it is true that the co pilot crashed the plane, possibly due to mental illness then I would suggest that he is no better, shows similar signs to a "spree killer". Something triggered the action, like it did with Anders Brehvik. If somehow the pilot had been successful and opened the door and landed the plane safely then the co pilot would be spending the rest of his days in a mental institution.
It is usually necessary to have a separate doctor for flying medicals as your normal doctor will not usually be accredited by the CAA to carry out these tests. (UK)
Richie200 said:
Another point regarding pilot checks:- Many pilots I work with have 2 doctors; in different countries. One for themselves and one for their flight medical. It's kind of handy that way to only tell the Flight Doc what he needs to know.
charlie7777 said:
It is usually necessary to have a separate doctor for flying medicals as your normal doctor will not usually be accredited by the CAA to carry out these tests. (UK)
Fully understand; the point I was trying to make was that only limited info is passed onto the Flight medical doctor. I have a very good friend who is a Captain and am fairly certain that if his medical condition was fully declared he probably wouldn't be flying today (he definitely is though as I have just flown with him PIC this morning). Richie200 said:
Another point regarding pilot checks:- Many pilots I work with have 2 doctors; in different countries. One for themselves and one for their flight medical. It's kind of handy that way to only tell the Flight Doc what he needs to know.
Richie200 said:
Fully understand; the point I was trying to make was that only limited info is passed onto the Flight medical doctor. I have a very good friend who is a Captain and am fairly certain that if his medical condition was fully declared he probably wouldn't be flying today (he definitely is though as I have just flown with him PIC this morning).
Does that not make you feel a little uncomfortable, given the topic of this thread?Bluebarge said:
Does that not make you feel a little uncomfortable, given the topic of this thread?
He is not fecking mental and probably one of the best pilots I have come across. His health issue is not something for which I feel has any detrimental effect on how he performs his duties. If that were the case, I would not have flown with my wife and daughter with him this morning!
Richie200 said:
Bluebarge said:
Does that not make you feel a little uncomfortable, given the topic of this thread?
He is not fecking mental and probably one of the best pilots I have come across. His health issue is not something for which I feel has any detrimental effect on how he performs his duties. If that were the case, I would not have flown with my wife and daughter with him this morning!It may very well be nothing to do with his condition, but you can probably guarantee that it would come to light..... you want him to end up as the scapegoat because he isn't being totally honest about his health?
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