Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(

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Asterix said:

Sheepshanks said:

Dr Jekyll said:

anonymous said:

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Quite right

Boys bond by exchanging insults they don't mean, girls by exchanging compliments they don't mean.

Hmmm...not so sure about that. I don't know that industry other than as a user, but can well imagine that crossing the chasm from cabin crew to flight crew would be extremely difficult.

It's a "class" thing - look how much the piss gets taken out of John Prescott and Carole Middleton, for example.

It's a strength of personality thing. Someone starts throwing stuff at you, tell the go fk themselves and get on with being st hot at your job.

I'd tend to agree.

As for the blokes "bond by exchanging insults they don't mean" idea; er, not necessarily so. If you're called a fat often enough, it might be time to close your tab at Greggs.

[Bluebarge]

Richie200 said:

Bluebarge said:

Does that not make you feel a little uncomfortable, given the topic of this thread?

He is not fecking mental and probably one of the best pilots I have come across. His health issue is not something for which I feel has any detrimental effect on how he performs his duties. If that were the case, I would not have flown with my wife and daughter with him this morning!

But you said he is not fit to fly. And if he falls ill as a result of his condition whilst at the controls, and the FO also falls ill as a result of, say, food poisoning (not uncommon, hence the flight crew getting different meals) so there are no fit pilots and the plane crashes, what then? Will you be feeling quite so bullish as you plainly do now?

If he is not fit to fly, he shouldn't be at the bloody controls, whether or not he is a mate.

[Richie200]

Dan_1981 said:

Richie200 said:

Bluebarge said:

Does that not make you feel a little uncomfortable, given the topic of this thread?

He is not fecking mental and probably one of the best pilots I have come across. His health issue is not something for which I feel has any detrimental effect on how he performs his duties. If that were the case, I would not have flown with my wife and daughter with him this morning!

But imagine something does go horribly wrong on one of his flights?

It may very well be nothing to do with his condition, but you can probably guarantee that it would come to light..... you want him to end up as the scapegoat because he isn't being totally honest about his health?

Listen fellow, I am not a Doctor, given the subject in hand I will put your response down to being a little raw/sensitive. If you want to go around and dob on all the potential people you know for one reason or another that you feel may or may not at some point now or in the future have an impact on something/someone due to the role they have in their job then I suggest you don't step into the world of risk analysis. Qualified doctor's impart their vast experience and knowledge in passing people fit for purpose. I am not going to question their authority on the basis of some 0.00000000001% psycho having a bad in the office. My Pilot friend is no risk to anybody, trust me

[trashbat]

Richie200 said:

My Pilot friend is no risk to anybody, trust me

Is your pilot friend also you?

[JuniorD]

It's quite easy to fudge past some aspects of the medicals. Some stunts I've heard of include the eye test where you keep the optom talking for a while you memorise the the bottom three lines of the eye chart. Or in the hearing test, you ask what ear they're going to test first, and if it's your bad ear, you switch the headset around so that it's actually your good ear that's hearing the test tones. Then, when it's time for the other ear, you switch the headset back. Apparently it's handy handier if the jack plugs are in the booth and out of sight of the tester, as you can just switch them instead.

[Richie200]

trashbat said:

Richie200 said:

My Pilot friend is no risk to anybody, trust me

Is your pilot friend also you?

Feck off I work for a living

[XB70]

Richie200 said:

It's kind of handy that way to only tell the Flight Doc what he needs to know.

More accurately "....to only tell the Flight Doc what you want him to know" perhaps?

[Mr Trophy]

Will the black box recordings ever be made public?

[RobinOakapple]

Mr Trophy said:

Will the black box recordings ever be made public?

You mean there's more?

[Steffan]

Mr Trophy said:

Will the black box recordings ever be made public?

I would think that the portent of the recordings will be confirmed in the fullness of time. I would be very surprised if the actual details were released to the media. There is already criticism of the premature release of information by the investigators not in accordance with the protocols required in such matters. It woud seem sufficient detail has been established to make the current assessement very probably the conclusion that will be inferred.

[XB70]

Finlandia said:

Agree on that. Plus he was bullied, as he experienced it, by the other pilots, so why not teach them a lesson as well.

Except he didn't teach them a lesson.

He took out his frustrations/woes/call them what you will on a trapped and captive group of completely innocent and helpless victims who had no previous interaction with him and contributed the sum total of zero to the state he found himself in.

What bothers me more than anything is that it does appear to be calculated and premeditated:

- his comments about "we'll see" and "maybe".
- the continuing insistence that the Captain leave the flight deck to take a toilet break.
- the continued ignoring of what could only have been increasingly desperate pleas from the passengers.

[anonymous-user]

Richie200 said:

Fully understand; the point I was trying to make was that only limited info is passed onto the Flight medical doctor. I have a very good friend who is a Captain and am fairly certain that if his medical condition was fully declared he probably wouldn't be flying today (he definitely is though as I have just flown with him PIC this morning).

I'm trying to think of medical conditions which would result in a pilot losing his medical but actually being fine to fly with if he doesn't admit to it.

You're suggesting the CAA think he's unfit to fly but you know he's fine and it's OK he's lying about it.

I think your mate might be doing something a bit dodgy TBH.

[Bluebarge]

Richie200 said:

Dan_1981 said:

Richie200 said:

Bluebarge said:

Does that not make you feel a little uncomfortable, given the topic of this thread?

He is not fecking mental and probably one of the best pilots I have come across. His health issue is not something for which I feel has any detrimental effect on how he performs his duties. If that were the case, I would not have flown with my wife and daughter with him this morning!

But imagine something does go horribly wrong on one of his flights?

It may very well be nothing to do with his condition, but you can probably guarantee that it would come to light..... you want him to end up as the scapegoat because he isn't being totally honest about his health?

Listen fellow, I am not a Doctor, given the subject in hand I will put your response down to being a little raw/sensitive. If you want to go around and dob on all the potential people you know for one reason or another that you feel may or may not at some point now or in the future have an impact on something/someone due to the role they have in their job then I suggest you don't step into the world of risk analysis. Qualified doctor's impart their vast experience and knowledge in passing people fit for purpose. I am not going to question their authority on the basis of some 0.00000000001% psycho having a bad in the office. My Pilot friend is no risk to anybody, trust me

Wow. With backpedalling skills like that you should be in the circus.

You started off saying this:
"I have a very good friend who is a Captain and am fairly certain that if his medical condition was fully declared he probably wouldn't be flying today".

Now you are suggesting that there is no problem at all.

Conscience still not troubling you?

[McWigglebum4th]

Lets be honest

Truck drivers solved the problem of leaving the cockpit to take a leak decades ago

The only problem will be opening the windows at 30,000ft to throw out a bottle of pilot lemonade

[charlie7777]

Declaring a medical condition does not necessarily result in the airline taking action that you would think sensible.

I have a good friend who was a senior BA captain before recent retirement who reported an eye condition that involved various objects entirely missing or disappearing from his vision.
He was initially grounded and had to undergo tests. The doctors could not really work out what was happening and suggested a short period of observation. As the condition did not repeat itself during this period he was moved back to flying duties with the proviso that he should always have a co-pilot sat next to him.

No medical diagnosis was ever made. Always thought this a bit dodgy!

[Silver940]

charlie7777 said:

Declaring a medical condition does not necessarily result in the airline taking action that you would think sensible.

I have a good friend who was a senior BA captain before recent retirement who reported an eye condition that involved various objects entirely missing or disappearing from his vision.

That happens to me when I start a migraine..

[Timmy40]

McWigglebum4th said:

Lets be honest

Truck drivers solved the problem of leaving the cockpit to take a leak decades ago

The only problem will be opening the windows at 30,000ft to throw out a bottle of pilot lemonade

Friend of mine tried that in a massive traffic jam a few years back. Couldn't fit his cock in the bottle. Got piss everywhere. Had to sit in p*ss for two hours all the way home. His Mrs was none too impressed. Nice newish Audi A4. Otherwise known afterwards as Das Piswagen.

So I'd not recommend the bottle trick to the untrained.

[Digga]

Timmy40 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Lets be honest

Truck drivers solved the problem of leaving the cockpit to take a leak decades ago

The only problem will be opening the windows at 30,000ft to throw out a bottle of pilot lemonade

Friend of mine tried that in a massive traffic jam a few years back. Couldn't fit his cock in the bottle. Got piss everywhere. Had to sit in p*ss for two hours all the way home. His Mrs was none too impressed. Nice newish Audi A4. Otherwise known afterwards as Das Piswagen.

So I'd not recommend the bottle trick to the untrained.

Getting the right receptacle is key; girth, overall capacity and the ease of re-sealing are all critical factors.

And don't mix it up with your drink, unless you're name's Bear.

[Starfighter]

Timmy40 said:

So I'd not recommend the bottle trick to the untrained.

So is there a training course you can do and does it count towards CPD?

[TVR1]

trashbat said:

Richie200 said:

My Pilot friend is no risk to anybody, trust me

Is your pilot friend also you?

Don't be ridiculous. Of course he's not a pilot.....






















He would have said so, in his first post.