Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(

[kev1974]

Video is a fake apparently
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/alps-plane-cr...

Officials say that none of the mobile phones found at the site have been analysed yet.

Think a lot of this sort of thing that you find on youtube is just scum putting rubbish up there to try to get high views and make money out of it.

[kev1974]

TfL have had the task of locating and removing 82 platform billboard adverts and 6000 in-carriage Germanwings adverts!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/rogue-ger...

Understandably I think, a few of the 6000 in-carriage ads seem to have evaded them so far.

Quite a task! Sure they have easy records of which platforms the big ads are on but the in-carriage stuff must surely just be some blokes going through the trains at night putting a certain number per carriage without any precise records of what went where.

[KTF]

kev1974 said:

Video is a fake apparently
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/alps-plane-cr...

Officials say that none of the mobile phones found at the site have been analysed yet.

Think a lot of this sort of thing that you find on youtube is just scum putting rubbish up there to try to get high views and make money out of it.

The video apparently showed IFE screens on the back of the seats which is something the A320 doesn't have. Yet still people lapped it up. Idiots.

Edit: Just watched the video. It's from a wide body jet by the looks of it and you can see the IFE screens glowing in the dark of a daytime flight.

Edited by KTF on Wednesday 1st April 19:43

[6th Gear]

Aren't you clever.

Well done.

[ZR1cliff]

Channel 4 now, all about Germanwings and pilot suicide. Will be repeated at 9pm on freeview Channel 13.

[lord trumpton]

A bit of a gruesome question to ask but its a genuine one...

The investigators and rescue workers are sifting through the debris on the mountainside and are collecting DNA for ID. So does this mean there are no remain of the passengers? Did the plane explode and burn up or is it a case of the impact causing the passengers to just splat like a fly on a car bumper?

What exactly will the investigators be finding?

[KTF]

6th Gear said:

Aren't you clever.

Well done.

Unlike some of the media it seems.

[Starfighter]

lord trumpton said:

A bit of a gruesome question to ask but its a genuine one...

The investigators and rescue workers are sifting through the debris on the mountainside and are collecting DNA for ID. So does this mean there are no remain of the passengers? Did the plane explode and burn up or is it a case of the impact causing the passengers to just splat like a fly on a car bumper?

What exactly will the investigators be finding?

Bluntly put, small body parts and bits of charred flesh etc. Impact speed was on the high side of 400 mph with a near instant stop. I suspect that many will need help coming to terms with what they are doing.

[allnighter]

Starfighter said:

lord trumpton said:

A bit of a gruesome question to ask but its a genuine one...

The investigators and rescue workers are sifting through the debris on the mountainside and are collecting DNA for ID. So does this mean there are no remain of the passengers? Did the plane explode and burn up or is it a case of the impact causing the passengers to just splat like a fly on a car bumper?

What exactly will the investigators be finding?

Bluntly put, small body parts and bits of charred flesh etc. Impact speed was on the high side of 400 mph with a near instant stop. I suspect that many will need help coming to terms with what they are doing.

That would be the same as putting all those bodies through a massive wood chipper, they would just evaporate into dust much like the victims of the twin towers.

[GloverMart]

Starfighter said:

lord trumpton said:

A bit of a gruesome question to ask but its a genuine one...

The investigators and rescue workers are sifting through the debris on the mountainside and are collecting DNA for ID. So does this mean there are no remain of the passengers? Did the plane explode and burn up or is it a case of the impact causing the passengers to just splat like a fly on a car bumper?

What exactly will the investigators be finding?

Bluntly put, small body parts and bits of charred flesh etc. Impact speed was on the high side of 400 mph with a near instant stop. I suspect that many will need help coming to terms with what they are doing.

I know Air Accident Investigators train for it and usually choose that as a career but I'm not sure I could get up every day, have breakfast then head off to do that job. Puts my moaning about Bristol traffic on the ring road into perspective.

[Dan_1981]

allnighter said:

Starfighter said:

lord trumpton said:

A bit of a gruesome question to ask but its a genuine one...

The investigators and rescue workers are sifting through the debris on the mountainside and are collecting DNA for ID. So does this mean there are no remain of the passengers? Did the plane explode and burn up or is it a case of the impact causing the passengers to just splat like a fly on a car bumper?

What exactly will the investigators be finding?

Bluntly put, small body parts and bits of charred flesh etc. Impact speed was on the high side of 400 mph with a near instant stop. I suspect that many will need help coming to terms with what they are doing.

That would be the same as putting all those bodies through a massive wood chipper, they would just evaporate into dust much like the victims of the twin towers.

Or as the BBC have taken to phrasing it - none of the victims have been found intact.

[anonymous-user]

As well as taking their lives, this guy has taken their bodies. Their relatives don't even have the 'comfort' of a body to cremate or put in a grave in a tranquil place, to scatter somewhere special or commemorate with a stone and to go to visit to pay respect and to 'talk' to those they have lost.
bd.

[maxxy5]

I know very little about anti-depressants but this is an interesting angle I think, it's Peter Hitchens but mainly links to other articles - http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/03/nob...

[richie99]

Hitchens has a real bee in his bonnet over anti-depressants. You could perhaps describe it as an obsession but that might be a little inappropriate.

Whilst I agree with him on many things, this is not one of them.

[Pesty]

richie99 said:

Hitchens has a real bee in his bonnet over anti-depressants. You could perhaps describe it as an obsession but that might be a little inappropriate.

Whilst I agree with him on many things, this is not one of them.

hes not the only one. Ive read several pieces linking them to spree killings in the states.

Anyway. Ive been reading this thread with interest( i have a general fear of flying)

im specifically interested in all the theories about prevention i.e 2 in cabin at all times.

May i ask. even if the pilot or co pilot are in their seats isn't it still possible to crash the plane?

put it in a steep dive and turn engines off or something?whats the other guy going to do. in fact whats to stop the suicide guy from saying hes going to the toilet and attacking the other guy from behind strangling or knocking him out)

The only thing we have is prevention from a determined guy, which history Shows is never going to catch everyone. this was was classed as a suicide risk at one point.

not sure anything can ever be done to totally prevent cases like this.

[lord trumpton]

richie99 said:

Hitchens has a real bee in his bonnet over anti-depressants. You could perhaps describe it as an obsession but that might be a little inappropriate.

Whilst I agree with him on many things, this is not one of them.

Anti depressants can help with obsessive behaviour...

[Slartifartfast]

Dan_1981 said:

Or as the BBC have taken to phrasing it - none of the victims have been found intact.

Given the amount of birds and wildlife on the mountains, a lot of the 'material' will have disappeared already. Grim thought.

[TheSnitch]

el stovey said:

Maxf said:

The issue here seems to be about mental health and stopping someone like this being in the situation where he is in control of 150 lives, rather than xyz door system. Whether this is by tougher rules, or more sypmathetic employers, I genuinely dont know.

Exactly.

A new door or having more people in the flight deck does nothing.

That's interesting. I believe you're a pilot?

I'll admit I thought the opposite, but I bow to your judgement on this.

May I ask a question? As pilots you and your colleagues must have more insight than anyone when it comes to preventing this happening again. As such, are you able as a profession to have a significant input into what happens next and what measures airlines introduce?

Thanks.

[Richie200]

TheSnitch said:

That's interesting. I believe you're a pilot?

I'll admit I thought the opposite, but I bow to your judgement on this.

May I ask a question? As pilots you and your colleagues must have more insight than anyone when it comes to preventing this happening again. As such, are you able as a profession to have a significant input into what happens next and what measures airlines introduce?

Thanks.

In this case, EASA, Airbus and the BFU (German crash investigation unit) will be investigating along with the French crash investigation unit. I have dealt with the BFU and you can trust that they will leave no stone unturned. The completed reports from an event of this nature can however take a very long time. In general terms it is the Crash investigation Unit that puts all the proposals forward and do the investigation; the Type certificate holder and EASA will then implement any changes they see fit. There is a mechanism in place for input from others in the industry for example EASA use a NPA (notice of proposed amendment) via a CRT (Comment response Tool); this is the consultation process that the agency have developed. However it wouldn't really trickle down to the bread and butter Pilots, more a function for the highest level management in the Airline (Chief Pilot, Chief Engineer, Quality Manager...).

Edited by Richie200 on Thursday 2nd April 06:47

[TheSnitch]

Richie200 said:

TheSnitch said:

That's interesting. I believe you're a pilot?

I'll admit I thought the opposite, but I bow to your judgement on this.

May I ask a question? As pilots you and your colleagues must have more insight than anyone when it comes to preventing this happening again. As such, are you able as a profession to have a significant input into what happens next and what measures airlines introduce?

Thanks.

In this case, EASA, Airbus and the BFU (German crash investigation unit) will be investigating along with the French crash investigation unit. I have dealt with the BFU and you can trust that they will leave no stone unturned. The completed reports from an event of this nature can however take a very long time. In general terms it is the Crash investigation Unit that puts all the proposals forward and do the investigation; the Type certificate holder and EASA will then implement any changes they see fit. There is a mechanism in place for input from others in the industry for example EASA use a NPA (notice of proposed amendment) via a CRT (Comment response Tool); this is the consultation process that the agency have developed. However it wouldn't really trickle down to the bread and butter Pilots, more a function for the highest level management in the Airline (Chief Pilot, Chief Engineer, Quality Manager...).

Edited by Richie200 on Thursday 2nd April 06:47

That's very interesting. Thank you for that.