Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(

[TobyLaRohne]

TobyLaRohne said:

DDg said:

The Moose said:

On such a short flight such as this, what are the chances that the Captain would leave the flight deck? It's obviously not a massively long flight so I would expect them both not to leave the flight deck.

If he needs the toilet then once you get to the cruise level is probably the safest time.

I'm going to put my tin foil hat on here, but if the FO was wanting to be alone and fly the thing into a mountain, surely he could have easily have handed the captain a drink while at the airport with some laxitive in or something to get a guarentee he'd need the loo at some point of a 2 hour flight. How long does a laxitive take? 30-45 min?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031540/Killer-pilot-spiked-coffee-captain-diuretic-drug-leave-cockpit-toilet.html

It would appear the Daily Mail/investigators had the same Idea as me.

[RobinOakapple]

EskimoArapaho said:

RobinOakapple said:

I would be happy to draw the line in such a way as to allow the hiding of the identities of terrorists and whichever of their nasty causes they were hurting and killing people on behalf of.

What about mass murderers, such as this pilot?

Them too, obviously

[Oakey]

TobyLaRohne said:

TobyLaRohne said:

DDg said:

The Moose said:

On such a short flight such as this, what are the chances that the Captain would leave the flight deck? It's obviously not a massively long flight so I would expect them both not to leave the flight deck.

If he needs the toilet then once you get to the cruise level is probably the safest time.

I'm going to put my tin foil hat on here, but if the FO was wanting to be alone and fly the thing into a mountain, surely he could have easily have handed the captain a drink while at the airport with some laxitive in or something to get a guarentee he'd need the loo at some point of a 2 hour flight. How long does a laxitive take? 30-45 min?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031540/Killer-pilot-spiked-coffee-captain-diuretic-drug-leave-cockpit-toilet.html

It would appear the Daily Mail/investigators had the same Idea as me.

I was going to say, it's official, the Daily Mail get their information from PH

[JuniorD]

Typical of the Daily Mail pricks, their headline states something as fact('spiked coffee of his captain with diuretic drug so he would have to leave cockpit to go to the toilet')

while the article reveals this is all pure conjecture and theory. wkers.

[Mojocvh]

el stovey said:

Crafty_ said:

Its not anywhere near as simple as you suggest unfortunately.
Even if such a system that you describe was put in place there are many ways to make an aircraft crash if you are determined enough, which this guy obviously was.

And been explained numerous times over the last few pages already.

Really? I must have missed the CVR transcript and data from the FDR confirming just what happened.

"Really" any need for the laughing smilie on this thread?

[anonymous-user]

Mojocvh said:

Really? I must have missed the CVR transcript and data from the FDR confirming just what happened.

"Really" any need for the laughing smilie on this thread?

What are you talking about? I'm pointing out that it's been explained numerous times why systems to stop a crash wouldn't stop an aircraft being intentionally crashed. It's not a comment on why it crashed in any way at all. Stop being a dick.

[Mojocvh]

el stovey said:

Mojocvh said:

Really? I must have missed the CVR transcript and data from the FDR confirming just what happened.

"Really" any need for the laughing smilie on this thread?

What are you talking about? I'm pointing out that it's been explained numerous times why systems to stop a crash wouldn't stop an aircraft being intentionally crashed. It's not a comment on why it crashed in any way at all. Stop being a dick.

Really? you make light of this whole horrible incident.

You, sir, are the dick, not I.

[JuniorD]

Mojocvh said:

You, sir, are the dick, not I.

But you can't use the words "You, sir" without being a dick...

[eharding]

Mojocvh said:

el stovey said:

Mojocvh said:

Really? I must have missed the CVR transcript and data from the FDR confirming just what happened.

"Really" any need for the laughing smilie on this thread?

What are you talking about? I'm pointing out that it's been explained numerous times why systems to stop a crash wouldn't stop an aircraft being intentionally crashed. It's not a comment on why it crashed in any way at all. Stop being a dick.

Really? you make light of this whole horrible incident.

You, sir, are the dick, not I.

Well, maybe Stovey *is* a dick - not a sentiment I concur with - but let's say he is. At least he's a cheerful, occasionally lugubrious, rarely inappropriate, generally level-headed, *professional* aviator...and dick. I wouldn't have a problem with him being in command of any flight my nearest and dearest might find themselves upon.

You, Mojo my old china, on the other hand are rapidly descending in a spiral dive of bitterness and hate, as witnessed by your increasingly bile-fuelled out-pourings across the PH parish. Have a word with yourself, and if that doesn't work, maybe get someone professional to have a word with you on your behalf. Seriously. You're not a happy bunny, and it isn't nice watching you boil yourself.

[anonymous-user]

Mojocvh said:

Really? you make light of this whole horrible incident.

You, sir, are the dick, not I.

I'm making light of the fact that every few pages someone comes on and makes the same suggestion (an automated system to stop pilots crashing intentionally) , which is then repeatedly explained to be unworkable. Not making light of the crash.

You need to put some kind of breathalyser on your internet.

[menguin]

SpeedMattersNot said:

hope the same.

I heard ages ago that apparently drowning is meant to be quite tranquil? However, the thought of that terrifies me. Doesn't bare thinking about.

Did they perform post drowning interviews?

[Timmy40]

menguin said:

SpeedMattersNot said:

hope the same.

I heard ages ago that apparently drowning is meant to be quite tranquil? However, the thought of that terrifies me. Doesn't bare thinking about.

Did they perform post drowning interviews?

Former colleague of mine spend about 7 years as a lifeboat man, pulled lots of drowned bodies from the sea, says what he will never forget was the look of absolute terror on their faces. So I think it's fair to say it's probably not a 'tranquil' end....

[Oakey]

Timmy40 said:

Former colleague of mine spend about 7 years as a lifeboat man, pulled lots of drowned bodies from the sea, says what he will never forget was the look of absolute terror on their faces. So I think it's fair to say it's probably not a 'tranquil' end....

I nearly drowned when I was 9. It was anything but a tranquil experience.

[boobles]

Timmy40 said:

Former colleague of mine spend about 7 years as a lifeboat man, pulled lots of drowned bodies from the sea, says what he will never forget was the look of absolute terror on their faces. So I think it's fair to say it's probably not a 'tranquil' end....

But this must only apply if people are aware that the end is near.

[KTF]

If I had the choice of being drowned or being hurled into a solid object at 400+mph then the solid object would win every time. It wouldn't even register.

[Zod]

eharding said:

Mojocvh said:

el stovey said:

Mojocvh said:

Really? I must have missed the CVR transcript and data from the FDR confirming just what happened.

"Really" any need for the laughing smilie on this thread?

What are you talking about? I'm pointing out that it's been explained numerous times why systems to stop a crash wouldn't stop an aircraft being intentionally crashed. It's not a comment on why it crashed in any way at all. Stop being a dick.

Really? you make light of this whole horrible incident.

You, sir, are the dick, not I.

Well, maybe Stovey *is* a dick - not a sentiment I concur with - but let's say he is. At least he's a cheerful, occasionally lugubrious, rarely inappropriate, generally level-headed, *professional* aviator...and dick. I wouldn't have a problem with him being in command of any flight my nearest and dearest might find themselves upon.

You, Mojo my old china, on the other hand are rapidly descending in a spiral dive of bitterness and hate, as witnessed by your increasingly bile-fuelled out-pourings across the PH parish. Have a word with yourself, and if that doesn't work, maybe get someone professional to have a word with you on your behalf. Seriously. You're not a happy bunny, and it isn't nice watching you boil yourself.

He seems to be incapable of expressing himself without being unpleasant.

[Timmy40]

boobles said:

Timmy40 said:

Former colleague of mine spend about 7 years as a lifeboat man, pulled lots of drowned bodies from the sea, says what he will never forget was the look of absolute terror on their faces. So I think it's fair to say it's probably not a 'tranquil' end....

But this must only apply if people are aware that the end is near.

Erm I think if you're slipping under the surface inhaling water because you can't make it to the surface to breathe you might get the inkling that all is not well.

[Dr Jekyll]

There's an interesting observation made in the Spectator magazine that most of the 'usual' ways for airliners to crash have been virtually eliminated so we can expect future crashes to be pretty weird.

[anonymous-user]

Oakey said:

Timmy40 said:

Former colleague of mine spend about 7 years as a lifeboat man, pulled lots of drowned bodies from the sea, says what he will never forget was the look of absolute terror on their faces. So I think it's fair to say it's probably not a 'tranquil' end....

I nearly drowned when I was 9. It was anything but a tranquil experience.

As part of 'adventure training' every Wednesday afternoon at school, we had to do Canoe stuff for a few weeks which I absolutely hated beyond belief.

The two teachers who taught adventure training at school were proper grizzly, bearded outdoor type chaps and I always remember one of them telling us that he was Canoeing down some rapids one day when he capsized and got his helmet caught in between 2 submerged rocks whilst underwater.

He then went on about how he could feel himself drowning as he tried to free himself and that it was a really peaceful experience. He commented how he would be happy to drown if he ever needed to commit suicide.

How cheerful.

I'm not sure I buy it though. Waterboarding doesn't look that peaceful to me.

[anonymous-user]

Dr Jekyll said:

There's an interesting observation made in the Spectator magazine that most of the 'usual' ways for airliners to crash have been virtually eliminated so we can expect future crashes to be pretty weird.

Its a fair point.

I believe many, many weaknesses, faults and flaws have been ironed out of both aircrafts and airports over the last 50 years or so of commercial jet travel, leaving mostly human error and weird stuff.

A look at the last few large commercial aircraft 'incidents'

Germanwings 9525 - Suicide
Transasia 235 - Pilot error
Airasia 8501 - Pilot error
Malaysia 17 - Shot Down
Malaysia 370 - Missing
Ethiopia 702 - hijacked