Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(

Germanwings A320 crashed in France :(

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Charlie1986

2,016 posts

134 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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I know that. What i mean is with all European regulations there hasn't been many maybe any? crashes involving a European registered A320 so it must have been a horrific incident

2013BRM

39,731 posts

283 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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el stovey said:
2013BRM said:
fuuuuuuu, that's too close for comfort
Do you live nearby?
no, but use the carrier regularly around Europe

nyxster

1,452 posts

170 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Charlie1986 said:
I know that. What i mean is with all European regulations there hasn't been many maybe any? crashes involving a European registered A320 so it must have been a horrific incident
Given how strict the Germans are on maintenance, I've never felt safer than on a Lufthansa flight, but i suppose you can't account for random chance.

mcgandalf

654 posts

154 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Looks like they didn't stand a chance.

https://goo.gl/maps/A3LVq

Straight into a forested mountainside.

frownfrownfrown

RIP all.

onyx39

11,109 posts

149 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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nyxster said:
onyx39 said:
ALL aircraft are safe.
Accidents / tech failures still happen though.

RIP to all those aboard.

frown
And sadly of course, you can't rule out terrorism/hijacking attempt.

Spain's borders are very porous to North Africa, and with Islamic Stare operational in Tunisia there is always a worrying chance.
Unlikely to be a bomb though, there was a Mayday apparently.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

53 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Odd that it happened in the cruise.

Bomb/structural failure? jet upset over the Alps? Weather? Unreliable instruments? Could be a multitude of things but should be easy to find the black box.

airbusA346

779 posts

152 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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From AirLive.net on Twitter:

"Last few positions of the Germanwings flight plotted on a map"

Katzenjammer

1,081 posts

177 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Apologies for slight thread derailment, but does anyone know of the recent (last year) incident in which a German A320-series lost a lot of altitude over nortern Spain (I think) but the all female(?)crew did a managed to overcome problem? I think I read the report on AV Herald but can't seem to find it now. When I read it my first thought is that the same odd situation could happen again but would the next crew be able to overcome the problem so effectively.

Edit: found it: http://avherald.com/h?article=47d74074
"loss of altitude had been caused by two angle of attack sensors having frozen in their positions during climb at an angle, that caused the fly by wire protection to assume, the aircraft entered a stall while it climbed through FL310. The Alpha Protection activated forcing the aircraft to pitch down, which could not be corrected even by full back stick input. The crew eventually disconnected the related Air Data Units and was able to recover the aircraft".



Edited by Katzenjammer on Tuesday 24th March 11:22


Edited by Katzenjammer on Tuesday 24th March 11:23

Roo

11,503 posts

206 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Just heard this on the news. Was on the phone at the time so thought I'd misheard it.

fflyingdog

621 posts

238 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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RIP to all ,expect the worst hope for the best.Very bad day for aviation.

Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

202 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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RIP, such a shame indeed.

Otispunkmeyer

12,557 posts

154 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Apparently a 24 year old aircraft... though one would expect it is maintained. I have flown on similarly old aircraft not all that long ago with United! Some of their fleet are nearly as old as I am!

Lufthansa have a similarly aged A320's which they are or have put through life extension programs as they have come to their designed lifespan.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Tuesday 24th March 11:20

AlexIT

1,482 posts

137 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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A couple of live reports from french websites:

- No survivors according to French President Hollande...

- The Gemanwings A320 was 24 years old

- Debris were found near Barcelonette

FrankAbagnale

1,700 posts

111 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Hollande has said no survivors.

airbusA346

779 posts

152 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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The Moose

22,821 posts

208 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Thoughts with all the family involved...

frown

Rosscow

8,723 posts

162 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Barcelona to Barcelonnette - coincidental.

confused_buyer

6,610 posts

180 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Been a while since any major airliners have crashed like this in Western Europe.

I can remember the Spanair one not that long ago (pilots forgot to set the flaps at take-off IIRC) but no others.

Despite hundreds of planes and thousands of flights a day the likes of Ryanair, easyJet, Air Berlin etc. all have 100% safety records.

Horrible thing.

Asterix

24,438 posts

227 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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airbusA346 said:
Looks like it had just got to cruising altitude when 'it' happened.

Is there anything particular that happens upon reaching that specific point? Would a case of throttling back cause the engines to fail or something?

tvrolet

4,251 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Katzenjammer said:
Apologies for slight thread derailment, but does anyone know of the recent (last year or two) incident in which a German A320-series lost a lot of altitude over nortern Spain (I think) but the all female crew did a managed to overcome problem? I think I read the report on AV Herald but can't seem to find it now. When I read it my first thought is that the same odd situation could happen again but would the next crew be able to overcome the probelm so effectively.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558483-iced-aoa...