UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[mrpurple]

rohrl said:

An English teacher marks the UKIP flyer which was posted through her door.

http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2015/04/17/english-teache...

mmmmmmmmmmm

About a month ago, I left the Liberal Democrats to go UKIP and obviously a lot of them don't like it, so they are producing stuff like [the flyer] and putting it out and putting my name to it.

Read more: http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/UKIP-councillor-Fro...

[Scuffers]

Apparently, its a draft that was 'nicked'.

The fact it's clearly, not a printed flyer kind of backs up that explanation.

Pretty childish really, bit like the spelling police here on PH, rather than comment on the content, just bh about the speeling!

[NicD]

Police investigate 'dirty tricks allegations' over teacher who marked mistake-ridden Ukip flyer with red pen

'Avon and Somerset police confirmed they were investigating the dirty tricks allegations.
A spokeswoman said: "We have received a complaint from a Frome man about politically motivated harassment and have begun our enquiries."'

[uk_vette]

cookie118 said:

speculating that UKIP say they will achieve a free trade deal from EU negotiations during/post Brexit? It says the minimum they will accept is the continuation of free trade with the EU.

I don't think that I'm playing a blame game, if UKIP or anti-EU people could demonstrate in cold hard numbers that leaving the EU would be beneficial to the UK whilst continuing to then I'd actually be willing to vote for it. At the moment though there are arguments for and against and the idea, with no clear consensus at all.

Norway seem to be doing. OK in with some of EU benefits, and out with some others.
I guess, this is the situation UK would like to be in.

[anonymous-user]

uk_vette said:

cookie118 said:

speculating that UKIP say they will achieve a free trade deal from EU negotiations during/post Brexit? It says the minimum they will accept is the continuation of free trade with the EU.

I don't think that I'm playing a blame game, if UKIP or anti-EU people could demonstrate in cold hard numbers that leaving the EU would be beneficial to the UK whilst continuing to then I'd actually be willing to vote for it. At the moment though there are arguments for and against and the idea, with no clear consensus at all.

Norway seem to be doing. OK in with some of EU benefits, and out with some others.
I guess, this is the situation UK would like to be in.

Norway is doing pretty well but it has had to allow free movement of people, which is something that UKIP are dead set against and would be completely off the table at any negotiations.

Switzerland has had a referendum in which it introduced migrant quotas (having previously allowed the free movement of people) and this has triggered a clause that means it is now cut out of several benefits from the EU. Switzerland has also been threatened with being kicked out of the free trade area because of it-I'd imagine that UKIP is following developments in Switzerland closely-although it's been over a year since that referendum so whether anything will be enacted off it I don't know?

[Scuffers]

You keep banging on about this...

Look, assuming UKIP get a referendum, win it, etcetc. Then give the EU notice we are heading the door, its going to be at least 2 years negotiation from then.

You think any issues will not get sorted in that kind of timeframe?

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

You keep banging on about this...

Look, assuming UKIP get a referendum, win it, etcetc. Then give the EU notice we are heading the door, its going to be at least 2 years negotiation from then.

You think any issues will not get sorted in that kind of timeframe?

We'll know what we're going to get at that point, but UKIP seem very confident to put into their manifesto that they can achieve a free trade agreement without free movement of people which as far as I'm aware no other european country has negotiated.

I think the UK should have an idea of where it'd end up before starting the process of leaving. There's a lot of negotiation to be done and any process of leaving would carry some sort of risk, but I don't see why we can't have an idea of where we'd be headed in negotiations?

[eatcustard]

cookie118 said:

We'll know what we're going to get at that point, but UKIP seem very confident to put into their manifesto that they can achieve a free trade agreement without free movement of people which as far as I'm aware no other european country has negotiated.

I think the UK should have an idea of where it'd end up before starting the process of leaving. There's a lot of negotiation to be done and any process of leaving would carry some sort of risk, but I don't see why we can't have an idea of where we'd be headed in negotiations?

Do you think the French and Germans will shut the door on trade, they need us more than we need them

Edited by eatcustard on Saturday 18th April 18:56

[johnxjsc1985]

eatcustard said:

Do you think the French and Germans will shot the door on trade, they need us more than we need them

Stop talking sense .I think we are BMW's largest market in Europe.
People will always trade with each other as long as its beneficial to both parties.

[Scuffers]

cookie118 said:

We'll know what we're going to get at that point, but UKIP seem very confident to put into their manifesto that they can achieve a free trade agreement without free movement of people which as far as I'm aware no other european country has negotiated.

I think the UK should have an idea of where it'd end up before starting the process of leaving. There's a lot of negotiation to be done and any process of leaving would carry some sort of risk, but I don't see why we can't have an idea of where we'd be headed in negotiations?

So the US trade agreement currently being worked on includes free movement does it?

Ffs get a grip.

Edited by Scuffers on Saturday 18th April 19:32

[don4l]

cookie118 said:

Scuffers said:

You keep banging on about this...

Look, assuming UKIP get a referendum, win it, etcetc. Then give the EU notice we are heading the door, its going to be at least 2 years negotiation from then.

You think any issues will not get sorted in that kind of timeframe?

We'll know what we're going to get at that point, but UKIP seem very confident to put into their manifesto that they can achieve a free trade agreement without free movement of people which as far as I'm aware no other european country has negotiated.

I think the UK should have an idea of where it'd end up before starting the process of leaving. There's a lot of negotiation to be done and any process of leaving would carry some sort of risk, but I don't see why we can't have an idea of where we'd be headed in negotiations?

Have a look at the agreements that Guernsey and the isle of Man have with the EU.

Britain should be able to negotiate an agreement that is at least as good as the Guernsey agreement.

Hopefully, I have put your mind at rest, and you won't wet the bed tonight!

[steveT350C]

johnxjsc1985 said:

eatcustard said:

Do you think the French and Germans will shot the door on trade, they need us more than we need them

Stop talking sense .I think we are BMW's largest market in Europe.
People will always trade with each other as long as its beneficial to both parties.

We are the EU's biggest buyer. They need us so much to keep the gravy train trucking on.
Audi sell more TTs to the UK than any other country in the world; to name just one product.

[anonymous-user]

eatcustard said:

Do you think the French and Germans will shut the door on trade, they need us more than we need them

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 18th April 18:56

This line keeps on getting trotted out, and cars are always referred to.

They may need us to buy their products but do they need our products? For example will Audi and BMW still be happy with JLR products having free access to the EU despite not being produced in it?

If not just accepting that we'll leave and the EU will give us everything on a plate is wetting the bed then fine, rather that than leaving the future to 'they need us more than we need them'

[johnxjsc1985]

cookie118 said:

This line keeps on getting trotted out, and cars are always referred to.

They may need us to buy their products but do they need our products? For example will Audi and BMW still be happy with JLR products having free access to the EU despite not being produced in it?

If not just accepting that we'll leave and the EU will give us everything on a plate is wetting the bed then fine, rather that than leaving the future to 'they need us more than we need them'

look at the way the world's economies are progressing.when the EU allowed us to join who would have thought that China,India and eveb Russia would be mad for LandRovers and Jaguars as well as a host of other stuff like JCB;'s
If anything the EU is stiffling us.Not too mention Australia,Canada New Zealand SA.
We are naturally a trading nation our Island status has driven us that way.

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What some LSE lecturers said:

The economic consequences for the UK from leaving the EU are complex. But reduced integration with EU countries is likely to cost the UK economy far more than is gained from lower contributions to the EU budget. Static losses due to lower trade with the EU would reduce UK GDP by between 1.1 per cent in an optimistic scenario and 3.1 per cent in a pessimistic one.

The losses due to lower FDI, less skilled immigration, and the dynamic consequences of reduced trade could also be substantial. Even if the UK maintained full access to the single market following Brexit, it would not have a seat at the table when the rules of the single market are decided. Staying in the EU may cause political trouble for the major parties; but if the UK leaves the EU, the economic trouble will be double.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/03/24/should-the-uk-stay-or-go-the-economic-consequences-of-britain-leaving-the-eu/

[eatcustard]

cookie118 said:

This line keeps on getting trotted out, and cars are always referred to.

They may need us to buy their products but do they need our products? For example will Audi and BMW still be happy with JLR products having free access to the EU despite not being produced in it?

If not just accepting that we'll leave and the EU will give us everything on a plate is wetting the bed then fine, rather that than leaving the future to 'they need us more than we need them'

If they want us to buy their goods, they will have to play to our tune, we can buy goods from other markets who want to do a deal and they will deal or be left out of a big piece of the ££££ we spend.

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eatcustard said:

If they want us to buy their goods, they will have to play to our tune, we can buy goods from other markets who want to do a deal and they will deal or be left out of a big piece of the ££££ we spend.

Which "other" markets are we going to buy BMWs, Mercs, and Audis from?

Conversely, what goods do we provide to them that they couldn't source from elsewhere?

[Scuffers]

Lol!

LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.

[anonymous-user]

eatcustard said:

If they want us to buy their goods, they will have to play to our tune, we can buy goods from other markets who want to do a deal and they will deal or be left out of a big piece of the ££££ we spend.

Surely the EU bigwigs are saying the same thing?

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Scuffers said:

Lol!

LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.

Really? And there was me thinking it was one of the top Universities in the World.....