UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
Countdown said:
eatcustard said:
If they want us to buy their goods, they will have to play to our tune, we can buy goods from other markets who want to do a deal and they will deal or be left out of a big piece of the ££££ we spend.
Which "other" markets are we going to buy BMWs, Mercs, and Audis from?Conversely, what goods do we provide to them that they couldn't source from elsewhere?
Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
Lol!
LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.
Really? And there was me thinking it was one of the top Universities in the World.....LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.
Scuffers said:
Apparently, its a draft that was 'nicked'.
The fact it's clearly, not a printed flyer kind of backs up that explanation.
Pretty childish really, bit like the spelling police here on PH, rather than comment on the content, just bh about the speeling!
Of course, it's far more likely that his emails were hacked, his draft leaflet retardised by political rivals and distributed to, amongst others and totally by chance, a teacher who then chooses to publicly ridicule it...The fact it's clearly, not a printed flyer kind of backs up that explanation.
Pretty childish really, bit like the spelling police here on PH, rather than comment on the content, just bh about the speeling!
...than the possibility that the UKIP member is actually worse at the language of his home country than many of the horrible immigrants he wants chucked out and makes up an implausible excuse when it hits the nationals.
I know where my money is.
Scuffers said:
Pretty much every one about the EU.
Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
So an LSE report funded by the EU that claims that migrants are a net benefit to the uk while missing out the negative stuff is to be disbelieved.Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
Meanwhile UKIP have funded a report into their manifesto that claims the benefits of leaving the EU but misses out the 'unknowns' is to be......
I'm sorry I'm struggling for whether to believe it or not based on your logic?
Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
Which pro-EU reports have the LSE written which have been funded by the EU?
Pretty much every one about the EU.Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
Is UCL also a corrupt mouthpiece for the EU?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-...
Countdown said:
What some LSE lecturers said:
The economic consequences for the UK from leaving the EU are complex. But reduced integration with EU countries is likely to cost the UK economy far more than is gained from lower contributions to the EU budget. Static losses due to lower trade with the EU would reduce UK GDP by between 1.1 per cent in an optimistic scenario and 3.1 per cent in a pessimistic one.
The losses due to lower FDI, less skilled immigration, and the dynamic consequences of reduced trade could also be substantial. Even if the UK maintained full access to the single market following Brexit, it would not have a seat at the table when the rules of the single market are decided. Staying in the EU may cause political trouble for the major parties; but if the UK leaves the EU, the economic trouble will be double.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/03/24/should-the-uk-stay-or-go-the-economic-consequences-of-britain-leaving-the-eu/The losses due to lower FDI, less skilled immigration, and the dynamic consequences of reduced trade could also be substantial. Even if the UK maintained full access to the single market following Brexit, it would not have a seat at the table when the rules of the single market are decided. Staying in the EU may cause political trouble for the major parties; but if the UK leaves the EU, the economic trouble will be double.
Academics, lecturers... oh god, save me from 'experts'. I worked with and in academia for 10 years, they are really and utterly totally clueless to the outside (REAL) world, they simply live in their (OWN) world(s). They do have one thing that makes others envious, that is the longest vacations (hols), sabaticals (hols) of any sector of the working (hardly the right word for academics) populace!
Just as a bit of light relief... The UKIP PPC for Wealdon - Peter Griffiths has taken to twitter to explain that whilst he was accused on radio yesterday of using low cost immigrant workers to deliver UKIP leaflets... it was his Korean wife and another members Filipino wife who had been spotted!
What is it they say about assumptions?
What is it they say about assumptions?
dandarez said:
I actually laughed out very loud at this.
Academics, lecturers... oh god, save me from 'experts'. I worked with and in academia for 10 years, they are really and utterly totally clueless to the outside (REAL) world, they simply live in their (OWN) world(s). They do have one thing that makes others envious, that is the longest vacations (hols), sabaticals (hols) of any sector of the working (hardly the right word for academics) populace!
When you worked in academia were you totally clueless or were you different?Academics, lecturers... oh god, save me from 'experts'. I worked with and in academia for 10 years, they are really and utterly totally clueless to the outside (REAL) world, they simply live in their (OWN) world(s). They do have one thing that makes others envious, that is the longest vacations (hols), sabaticals (hols) of any sector of the working (hardly the right word for academics) populace!
Who knows what would happen, I'd just rather it was this country in control and I'd take the risk of leaving. I don't really buy or want the idea the decision has been made and that's it, it can never change or go back and we have to go down this road forever.
There is so many variables, it's impossible to prove conclusively either way. I remember people saying the same pro EU stuff when the Euro came about and us being left out and the resulting economic isolation, job losses, noncompetitive etc etc, turns out a lot of 'experts' actually had no clue.
There is so many variables, it's impossible to prove conclusively either way. I remember people saying the same pro EU stuff when the Euro came about and us being left out and the resulting economic isolation, job losses, noncompetitive etc etc, turns out a lot of 'experts' actually had no clue.
cookie118 said:
Scuffers said:
Pretty much every one about the EU.
Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
So an LSE report funded by the EU that claims that migrants are a net benefit to the uk while missing out the negative stuff is to be disbelieved.Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
Meanwhile UKIP have funded a report into their manifesto that claims the benefits of leaving the EU but misses out the 'unknowns' is to be......
I'm sorry I'm struggling for whether to believe it or not based on your logic?
If your 'logic' equates the two, I feel sorry for you.
brenflys777 said:
Just as a bit of light relief... The UKIP PPC for Wealdon - Peter Griffiths has taken to twitter to explain that whilst he was accused on radio yesterday of using low cost immigrant workers to deliver UKIP leaflets... it was his Korean wife and another members Filipino wife who had been spotted!
What is it they say about assumptions?
Aren't they both low cost and immigrants?What is it they say about assumptions?
Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
Which pro-EU reports have the LSE written which have been funded by the EU?
Pretty much every one about the EU.Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
Is UCL also a corrupt mouthpiece for the EU?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-...
back to the LSE one, even UCL said it was crap:
http://www.civitas.org.uk/press/PRimmigration.html
the reality of this is that they are all guessing, using statistics that were not compiled to be used for this, based on data that's woefully in-complete.
even basic things like how many EU migrants are in the UK we cannot answer with any form of accuracy, according to Tesco/Sainsbury's/etc there are over 70M people in the UK.
allergictocheese said:
brenflys777 said:
Just as a bit of light relief... The UKIP PPC for Wealdon - Peter Griffiths has taken to twitter to explain that whilst he was accused on radio yesterday of using low cost immigrant workers to deliver UKIP leaflets... it was his Korean wife and another members Filipino wife who had been spotted!
What is it they say about assumptions?
Aren't they both low cost and immigrants?What is it they say about assumptions?
Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
Lol!
LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.
Really? And there was me thinking it was one of the top Universities in the World.....LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.
Here is a list of the top 50, and the LSE doesn't even get a mention:-
List of top Universities
mrpurple said:
mmmmmmmmmmm
About a month ago, I left the Liberal Democrats to go UKIP and obviously a lot of them don't like it, so they are producing stuff like [the flyer] and putting it out and putting my name to it.
Read more: http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/UKIP-councillor-Fro...
interesting first comment under the article regarding the so called "teacher" .About a month ago, I left the Liberal Democrats to go UKIP and obviously a lot of them don't like it, so they are producing stuff like [the flyer] and putting it out and putting my name to it.
Read more: http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/UKIP-councillor-Fro...
allergictocheese said:
Of course, it's far more likely that his emails were hacked, his draft leaflet retardised by political rivals and distributed to, amongst others and totally by chance, a teacher who then chooses to publicly ridicule it...
...than the possibility that the UKIP member is actually worse at the language of his home country than many of the horrible immigrants he wants chucked out and makes up an implausible excuse when it hits the nationals.
I know where my money is.
looking at the comments section of the article it is entirely possible there was no teacher involved....than the possibility that the UKIP member is actually worse at the language of his home country than many of the horrible immigrants he wants chucked out and makes up an implausible excuse when it hits the nationals.
I know where my money is.
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