UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

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Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
Lol!

LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.
Really? And there was me thinking it was one of the top Universities in the World.....
Its is when they're not being funded by the EU to write pro EU reports etc.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Countdown said:
eatcustard said:
If they want us to buy their goods, they will have to play to our tune, we can buy goods from other markets who want to do a deal and they will deal or be left out of a big piece of the ££££ we spend.
Which "other" markets are we going to buy BMWs, Mercs, and Audis from?

Conversely, what goods do we provide to them that they couldn't source from elsewhere?
So apart from reps and chavs who would be affected ??

Countdown

39,688 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
Lol!

LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.
Really? And there was me thinking it was one of the top Universities in the World.....
Its is when they're not being funded by the EU to write pro EU reports etc.
Which pro-EU reports have the LSE written which have been funded by the EU?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Countdown said:
Which pro-EU reports have the LSE written which have been funded by the EU?
Pretty much every one about the EU.

Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

112 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Scuffers said:
Apparently, its a draft that was 'nicked'.

The fact it's clearly, not a printed flyer kind of backs up that explanation.

Pretty childish really, bit like the spelling police here on PH, rather than comment on the content, just bh about the speeling!
Of course, it's far more likely that his emails were hacked, his draft leaflet retardised by political rivals and distributed to, amongst others and totally by chance, a teacher who then chooses to publicly ridicule it...

...than the possibility that the UKIP member is actually worse at the language of his home country than many of the horrible immigrants he wants chucked out and makes up an implausible excuse when it hits the nationals.

I know where my money is.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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No problem, i am sure the police would love to be wasting their time.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Scuffers said:
Pretty much every one about the EU.

Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
So an LSE report funded by the EU that claims that migrants are a net benefit to the uk while missing out the negative stuff is to be disbelieved.
Meanwhile UKIP have funded a report into their manifesto that claims the benefits of leaving the EU but misses out the 'unknowns' is to be......

I'm sorry I'm struggling for whether to believe it or not based on your logic?

Countdown

39,688 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
Which pro-EU reports have the LSE written which have been funded by the EU?
Pretty much every one about the EU.

Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
Would I be right in thinking that, unless it agrees with your particular view of the EU, it's a flawed/biased/corrupt report, and the authors are willing to sell their professional reputations for money? Was the blog that I quoted also funded by the EU?

Is UCL also a corrupt mouthpiece for the EU?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-...

dandarez

13,245 posts

282 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Countdown said:
What some LSE lecturers said:
The economic consequences for the UK from leaving the EU are complex. But reduced integration with EU countries is likely to cost the UK economy far more than is gained from lower contributions to the EU budget. Static losses due to lower trade with the EU would reduce UK GDP by between 1.1 per cent in an optimistic scenario and 3.1 per cent in a pessimistic one.

The losses due to lower FDI, less skilled immigration, and the dynamic consequences of reduced trade could also be substantial. Even if the UK maintained full access to the single market following Brexit, it would not have a seat at the table when the rules of the single market are decided. Staying in the EU may cause political trouble for the major parties; but if the UK leaves the EU, the economic trouble will be double.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/03/24/should-the-uk-stay-or-go-the-economic-consequences-of-britain-leaving-the-eu/
I actually laughed out very loud at this.

Academics, lecturers... oh god, save me from 'experts'. I worked with and in academia for 10 years, they are really and utterly totally clueless to the outside (REAL) world, they simply live in their (OWN) world(s). They do have one thing that makes others envious, that is the longest vacations (hols), sabaticals (hols) of any sector of the working (hardly the right word for academics) populace!



brenflys777

2,678 posts

176 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Just as a bit of light relief... The UKIP PPC for Wealdon - Peter Griffiths has taken to twitter to explain that whilst he was accused on radio yesterday of using low cost immigrant workers to deliver UKIP leaflets... it was his Korean wife and another members Filipino wife who had been spotted!

What is it they say about assumptions? biggrin

Countdown

39,688 posts

195 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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dandarez said:
I actually laughed out very loud at this.

Academics, lecturers... oh god, save me from 'experts'. I worked with and in academia for 10 years, they are really and utterly totally clueless to the outside (REAL) world, they simply live in their (OWN) world(s). They do have one thing that makes others envious, that is the longest vacations (hols), sabaticals (hols) of any sector of the working (hardly the right word for academics) populace!
When you worked in academia were you totally clueless or were you different?

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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Who knows what would happen, I'd just rather it was this country in control and I'd take the risk of leaving. I don't really buy or want the idea the decision has been made and that's it, it can never change or go back and we have to go down this road forever.
There is so many variables, it's impossible to prove conclusively either way. I remember people saying the same pro EU stuff when the Euro came about and us being left out and the resulting economic isolation, job losses, noncompetitive etc etc, turns out a lot of 'experts' actually had no clue.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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cookie118 said:
Scuffers said:
Pretty much every one about the EU.

Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
So an LSE report funded by the EU that claims that migrants are a net benefit to the uk while missing out the negative stuff is to be disbelieved.
Meanwhile UKIP have funded a report into their manifesto that claims the benefits of leaving the EU but misses out the 'unknowns' is to be......

I'm sorry I'm struggling for whether to believe it or not based on your logic?
Well one purports to be an independent, academic report, the other is from a party manifesto.

If your 'logic' equates the two, I feel sorry for you.

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

112 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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brenflys777 said:
Just as a bit of light relief... The UKIP PPC for Wealdon - Peter Griffiths has taken to twitter to explain that whilst he was accused on radio yesterday of using low cost immigrant workers to deliver UKIP leaflets... it was his Korean wife and another members Filipino wife who had been spotted!

What is it they say about assumptions? biggrin
Aren't they both low cost and immigrants?

Scuffers

20,887 posts

273 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
Countdown said:
Which pro-EU reports have the LSE written which have been funded by the EU?
Pretty much every one about the EU.

Like the one that claimed migrants are a net benefit to the UK, (missing out all the negative stuff etc.)
Would I be right in thinking that, unless it agrees with your particular view of the EU, it's a flawed/biased/corrupt report, and the authors are willing to sell their professional reputations for money? Was the blog that I quoted also funded by the EU?

Is UCL also a corrupt mouthpiece for the EU?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/05/eu-...
not read that one, but will take a look (and also to who funds the authors)

back to the LSE one, even UCL said it was crap:

http://www.civitas.org.uk/press/PRimmigration.html

the reality of this is that they are all guessing, using statistics that were not compiled to be used for this, based on data that's woefully in-complete.

even basic things like how many EU migrants are in the UK we cannot answer with any form of accuracy, according to Tesco/Sainsbury's/etc there are over 70M people in the UK.


PRTVR

7,072 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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allergictocheese said:
brenflys777 said:
Just as a bit of light relief... The UKIP PPC for Wealdon - Peter Griffiths has taken to twitter to explain that whilst he was accused on radio yesterday of using low cost immigrant workers to deliver UKIP leaflets... it was his Korean wife and another members Filipino wife who had been spotted!

What is it they say about assumptions? biggrin
Aren't they both low cost and immigrants?
Anybody who thinks a wife of any nationality is low cost does not have a grip on reality.hehe

allergictocheese

1,290 posts

112 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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Tell me about it. smile

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
Lol!

LSE - brought and paid for by the EU.
Really? And there was me thinking it was one of the top Universities in the World.....
What on Earth made you think that?

Here is a list of the top 50, and the LSE doesn't even get a mention:-

List of top Universities


wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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mrpurple said:
mmmmmmmmmmm

About a month ago, I left the Liberal Democrats to go UKIP and obviously a lot of them don't like it, so they are producing stuff like [the flyer] and putting it out and putting my name to it.

Read more: http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/UKIP-councillor-Fro...
interesting first comment under the article regarding the so called "teacher" .

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th April 2015
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allergictocheese said:
Of course, it's far more likely that his emails were hacked, his draft leaflet retardised by political rivals and distributed to, amongst others and totally by chance, a teacher who then chooses to publicly ridicule it...

...than the possibility that the UKIP member is actually worse at the language of his home country than many of the horrible immigrants he wants chucked out and makes up an implausible excuse when it hits the nationals.

I know where my money is.
looking at the comments section of the article it is entirely possible there was no teacher involved.