UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
NicD said:
...present a partisan opinion as fact.
Robin Aitken said:
Our scripts were as opinionated as any commentary in The Guardian.
Which is hardly surprising since, as we already know:Peter Sissons said:
I lost count of the number of times I asked a producer for a brief on a story, only to be handed a copy of The Guardian and told ‘it’s all in there’.
don4l said:
allergictocheese said:
UKIP solidifying their core vote is all very well- it's a relatively small number of voters.
You are correct. They are only polling about three to four times the LibDems. They need to do much better than that on May 7th.
turbobloke said:
don4l said:
allergictocheese said:
UKIP solidifying their core vote is all very well- it's a relatively small number of voters.
You are correct. They are only polling about three to four times the LibDems. They need to do much better than that on May 7th.
I'll get a bottle of 15 y/o Glengoyne in so that I am ready to celebrate.
If it is bad news, then I will be able to drown my sorrows in style.
So, it is a win-win situation, really.
allergictocheese said:
UKIP solidifying their core vote is all very well- it's a relatively small number of voters.
Their problem is that to win the EU vote they had to bang a loud drum about immigration and the EU. They have become 'typecast' as being the party of those subjects. The downside is that those subjects are less important in a GE, leaving them less relevant than the popular parties.
It's a pretty large core vote-whether they can convert it into seats is anyone's guess, at the moment it looks like certainly some. Even if they don't win many seats I'd imagine that they could swing the result of the GE due to grabbing votes from the main two parties.Their problem is that to win the EU vote they had to bang a loud drum about immigration and the EU. They have become 'typecast' as being the party of those subjects. The downside is that those subjects are less important in a GE, leaving them less relevant than the popular parties.
As much as I don't like them they make compelling arguments in many sectors and are growing as a political force, taking votes from both labour and the conservatives and transforming from a minor party to a major player. They have their issues as any party does (which have been reducing in the run up to the GE) but they have to be taken seriously, and cannot be dismissed off-hand as a minor party.
johnxjsc1985 said:
allergictocheese said:
UKIP solidifying their core vote is all very well- it's a relatively small number of voters.
Their problem is that to win the EU vote they had to bang a loud drum about immigration and the EU. They have become 'typecast' as being the party of those subjects. The downside is that those subjects are less important in a GE, leaving them less relevant than the popular parties.
But they will get more Votes than the LIBDEMS.Their problem is that to win the EU vote they had to bang a loud drum about immigration and the EU. They have become 'typecast' as being the party of those subjects. The downside is that those subjects are less important in a GE, leaving them less relevant than the popular parties.
don4l said:
Several people on here have postulated that the polls use the last GE results as one of the weighting factors. If this is true, we might be in for a pleasant surprise on May 6th.
I'll get a bottle of 15 y/o Glengoyne in so that I am ready to celebrate.
If it is bad news, then I will be able to drown my sorrows in style.
So, it is a win-win situation, really.
As far as I've read, "don't knows" are divided up using 2010 GE results. This counts against UKIP in two ways:I'll get a bottle of 15 y/o Glengoyne in so that I am ready to celebrate.
If it is bad news, then I will be able to drown my sorrows in style.
So, it is a win-win situation, really.
- UKIP got 3% in 2010
- This is guesswork from me but I would hazard that a significant number of "Don't knows" are UKIP voters who don't want to be identified as such for whatever reason
My estimate is 20%+ of the national vote. No idea on seats tbh.
Scuffers said:
and we have lost almost 300,000 highly skilled brits abroad
Out of curiosity, where have most of the skilled Brits gone?If labour / SNP get in our family has already started discussing options. My main issue is leaving the old folk behind.
I am now convinced most of the human race is nuts, is there anywhere left on the planet for people like me?
My teenage daughter who is doing great at physics/maths has already tried signing up for the first one way trip to Mars!
BGARK said:
Out of curiosity, where have most of the skilled Brits gone?
If labour / SNP get in our family has already started discussing options. My main issue is leaving the old folk behind.
I am now convinced most of the human race is nuts, is there anywhere left on the planet for people like me?
It depends on what you're looking for. Plenty of places for people with finance and IT skills in the ME.If labour / SNP get in our family has already started discussing options. My main issue is leaving the old folk behind.
I am now convinced most of the human race is nuts, is there anywhere left on the planet for people like me?
With regards to the old folk, are they not able to relocate? - mine are already spending 50% of their time abroad. Nicer weather, less people moaning, although I do miss the free babysitting
Countdown said:
It depends on what you're looking for. Plenty of places for people with finance and IT skills in the ME.
With regards to the old folk, are they not able to relocate? - mine are already spending 50% of their time abroad. Nicer weather, less people moaning, although I do miss the free babysitting
Thanks, I suppose its a case of just not making a bad decision or ending up worse off for everyone, I feel ashamed that we are even having this conversation really!With regards to the old folk, are they not able to relocate? - mine are already spending 50% of their time abroad. Nicer weather, less people moaning, although I do miss the free babysitting
Scuffers said:
BGARK said:
Out of curiosity, where have most of the skilled Brits gone?
good questionthe truth is we have no idea as without exit controls we just don't know.
Anecdotally, lot of medical staff have gone to Aus/Gulf/US etc.
Most of us are working in Europe. Significant but minority proportion are in the US & Canada. The rest are split between the ME & Australazia. Most so the highly lucrative money from these well paid Brits gets cycled back to the UK.
And to be fair we don't really give a f
k about the exit controls in the countries we go to either.Anecdotally fairly few Brit &/or European trained medical lot go to the US because they make you just thru really s
tty hoops. Canada is a much more preferred destination as the quals are taken with much less grief. The Aussies require you to redo some training aswell. And by anecdotally, I mean not at all. I've got a wife who has had to look at that crap.What you mostly learn when you bugger off abroad though is that frankly Britain isn't that bad.
DJRC said:
Stuff, and...
What you mostly learn when you bugger off abroad though is that frankly Britain isn't that bad.
Yup, agreed - I've spent a fair bit as an expat in a number of countries and traveled extensively to nice places and to some of the worst in the world. It's very good to put the UK into context.What you mostly learn when you bugger off abroad though is that frankly Britain isn't that bad.
It's one of the best countries in the world.
Just certain politicians seem to want to bring it to it's knees and it's a crying shame.
DJRC said:
Actually you have been told several times on here by people with a lot more experience than you. You just haven't listened.
Most of us are working in Europe. Significant but minority proportion are in the US & Canada. The rest are split between the ME & Australazia. Most so the highly lucrative money from these well paid Brits gets cycled back to the UK.
And to be fair we don't really give a fk about the exit controls in the countries we go to either.
Anecdotally fairly few Brit &/or European trained medical lot go to the US because they make you just thru really stty hoops. Canada is a much more preferred destination as the quals are taken with much less grief. The Aussies require you to redo some training aswell. And by anecdotally, I mean not at all. I've got a wife who has had to look at that crap.
What you mostly learn when you bugger off abroad though is that frankly Britain isn't that bad.
so after all that, you have basically just agreed with what I posted!Most of us are working in Europe. Significant but minority proportion are in the US & Canada. The rest are split between the ME & Australazia. Most so the highly lucrative money from these well paid Brits gets cycled back to the UK.
And to be fair we don't really give a f
k about the exit controls in the countries we go to either.Anecdotally fairly few Brit &/or European trained medical lot go to the US because they make you just thru really s
tty hoops. Canada is a much more preferred destination as the quals are taken with much less grief. The Aussies require you to redo some training aswell. And by anecdotally, I mean not at all. I've got a wife who has had to look at that crap.What you mostly learn when you bugger off abroad though is that frankly Britain isn't that bad.
ie. we don't actually have any good data on where brits are off to, and that a lot of the medical staff are going to Aus/US/Gulf (and you kindly added Canada to the list).
Look, I'm not one of those people that live in England and never look/go outside, I have worked on just about every continent over the years, including parts of what is now EU but was eastern block.
If I were to guess, I reckon that the majority of EX UK migrants are actually outside of the EU, but like I said, nobody actually knows with any level of certainty.
allergictocheese said:
Isn't it fairly academic (pin intended)?
Nobody doubts the leaflet is rotten. Whether it was a teacher marking it or you, or I, who cares?
Of course, either the 'kipper is a victim of an elaborate fraud or he's not so hot at his own language. Neither paints a great picture, does it?
i think the inference was the leaflet was not typed up by the "kipper" in the first place.Nobody doubts the leaflet is rotten. Whether it was a teacher marking it or you, or I, who cares?
Of course, either the 'kipper is a victim of an elaborate fraud or he's not so hot at his own language. Neither paints a great picture, does it?
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