UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[NicD]

Greg66 said:

Isn't that a rather facile generalisation?

at last you get something!

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

Simply don't believe that for a second.

Seen people turned round from us airports...

Well perhaps your limited sample size isn't very reliable as a guide to general practice of the US Govt. And perhaps you don't know the details of precisely why these people came to be turned back.

And perhaps you would rather just continue to live in your own little make-believe world. Because obviously it makes perfect sense to disbelieve what a crime reduction charity says. Makes perfect sense that they would be lying to and misleading people with convictions about travelling abroad.

Want to stick your chin out any further on this one?

[Russ T Bolt]

don4l said:

All this talk of entry and exit is silly.

The points of exit have passport scanning facilities, which are currently used at times of heightened security. If we use these, then there is little more to do than let the computers do a little arithmetic.

UKIP, have allowed for an extra 2000+ border staff in their fully costed manifesto, so this looks feasible.

All people exiting at certain ports are now scanned regardless of security levels, this will be rolled out to all ports. It was on BBC a few weeks ago.

[anonymous-user]

NicD said:

Greg66 said:

Isn't that a rather facile generalisation?

at last you get something!

Nice dodge. Perhaps you'll come back for the substantive points one day.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 20th April 21:01

[TKF]

Greg66 said:

And perhaps you would rather just continue to live in your own little make-believe world. Because obviously it makes perfect sense to disbelieve what a crime reduction charity says. Makes perfect sense that they would be lying to and misleading people with convictions about travelling abroad.

It's all LibLabCon establishment MSM anti-UKIP bias. Didn't you get the memo?

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Harrasment is frowned upon on Pistonheads. You will get yourself banned if you continue on this course.

Back up, Neddy. Arguing with the ever-argumentative Scuffers is not harassment. And I have no doubt Scuffers can speak for himself on that score anyway.

[FredClogs]

NicD said:

'About 1.2million Poles want to leave the country and move abroad in the next 12 months and almost one in four hope to land in Britain, a study by the Polish employment service found.

The staggering figures prompted concern in the UK - which is already home to nearly 800,000 of the eastern Europeans. '
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/571575/Polish-...

No problem, immigrants are 'good' for the economy.

Really, you're still quoting the Express? Even before Desmond donated £1.2million to UKIP the newspaper was a joke, you can not be serious?

As an aside I'm working with 2 poles at the moment, both highly skilled and educated, both been here for over 6 years, both planning to go home by the end of the year, as many ex pat Brits all over the world are also doing.

Edited by FredClogs on Monday 20th April 21:05

[mrpurple]

FredClogs said:

As an aside I'm working with 2 piles at the moment,.

Have you tried anusol?

[rs1952]

FredClogs said:

Really, you're still quoting the Express? Even before Desmond donated £1.2million to UKIP the newspaper was a joke, you can not be serious?

As an aside I'm working with 2 piles at the moment, both highly skilled and educated, both been here for over 6 years, both planning to go home by the end of the year, as many ex pat Brits all over the world are also doing.

I presume you meant "Poles" otherwise perhaps you should visit your GP

But you touch upon an interesting point that UKIP have not really sussed out. Immigration is not what it used to be, when "immigrants" turned up at Southampton Docks with one suitcase and they had taken a one-way trip. They knew it and we knew it in the UK.

Have you seen how many flights to the various Eastern European countries flying out of UK airports these days? From Bristol as just one example:

2 flights per week to Gdansk, Krakow, Poznan, Wroclaw in Poland, Kaunus in Lithuania, and Prague
3 flights per week to Warsaw and Budapest

And that's just one regional airport. Some "immigrants" go home at weekends, and a lot more come to the UK for a year or two, make a few bob and then bugger off back home. The same as the UK population has been doing around the world since travelling was invented.

But presumably it is OK in UKIP land for UK workers to bugger off and make a packet elsewhere, but it isn't OK for other country's nationals to do the same here?

The world has moved on since the 1950s, and I personally have no wish to go back to them. Especially for Sunday radio...

[JustAnotherLogin]

As a matter of interest, which of these do people think is worse and should be stopped

Immigrants, coming over here, working hard for low wages, paying tax, renting a house
UK nationals, going overseas, renting their house out, paying no tax in the UK, claiming off NHS when they need to, with retirement plan including UK state pension

Both are common cases

[allergictocheese]

NicD said:

'About 1.2million Poles want to leave the country and move abroad in the next 12 months and almost one in four hope to land in Britain, a study by the Polish employment service found.

The staggering figures prompted concern in the UK - which is already home to nearly 800,000 of the eastern Europeans. '
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/571575/Polish-...

No problem, immigrants are 'good' for the economy.

They buy goods in our shops, provide improved availability of trades in a more cost efficient fashion than the native population who had insufficient interest in doing them themselves, and pay taxes. They stimulate the economy in areas our population was too lazy or greedy to do themselves. If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't have been the motives for Poles et al to come here in the first place.

We should applaud the entrepreneurial spirit Eastern Europeans display, not sneer at them for using the schools and hospitals their hard work pays for.

[BGARK]

JustAnotherLogin said:

paying tax

They don't though (on min wage), do the maths and prove otherwise.

[TKF]

Has this been done yet?

http://youtu.be/1FK-oWA7Oj8

"My buttocks are smooth, my mind is clear, vote UKIP"

[BGARK]

TKF said:

Has this been done yet?

http://youtu.be/1FK-oWA7Oj8

"My buttocks are smooth, my mind is clear, vote UKIP"

Genuine British eccentrics are a huge part of our culture, love it!

[JustAnotherLogin]

BGARK said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

paying tax

They don't though (on min wage), do the maths and prove otherwise.

Well the minimum wage is £6.50 an hour

A typical working week is 37 hours (lets not assume they work too hard and it doesn't take fractions)

That makes £240.50/week

Stick that into this tax calculator
http://wageindicator.co.uk/main/pay/working-tax-cr...

and the person would pay

£880.20 tax and £589.68 NI per annum

Tricky stuff this maths. Let me know if you need help calculating your IQ

[PRTVR]

JustAnotherLogin said:

BGARK said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

paying tax

They don't though (on min wage), do the maths and prove otherwise.

Well the minimum wage is £6.50 an hour

A typical working week is 37 hours (lets not assume they work too hard and it doesn't take fractions)

That makes £240.50/week

Stick that into this tax calculator
http://wageindicator.co.uk/main/pay/working-tax-cr...

and the person would pay

£880.20 tax and £589.68 NI per annum

Tricky stuff this maths. Let me know if you need help calculating your IQ

Against that what are the benefits would he recieve if say he has a wife and two children? That's without the cost of schools and medical needs.
It really is not a good deal for the UK.

[BGARK]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Tricky stuff this maths. Let me know if you need help calculating your IQ

What does the average person cost each year to use UK public services?

What does the average family, even with just 1 child cost each year to use public services, plus then add child tax credits etc..

The world is not black and white, and abusing others will not force your point across or make people shut up.

[Timsta]

DJRC said:

Timsta said:

DJRC said:

And to be fair we don't really give a fk about the exit controls in the countries we go to either.

Don't we? Oh. OK.

No we aren't. Of course I'm sure you are, being terribly polite Middle English and obeying the rules etc. The majority of folks I've known working in various countries however have turned up, taken the money and fked off when they were done.

Actually, we do care for exit controls. You may not, but some of us do. As for being terribly polite Middle English, nope, so very wrong there too. Not english, not even British.

Just because you don't care for exit controls doesn't mean you can talk for everyone who goes abroad.

[JustAnotherLogin]

BGARK said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

Tricky stuff this maths. Let me know if you need help calculating your IQ

What does the average person cost each year to use UK public services?

What does the average family, even with just 1 child cost each year to use public services, plus then add child tax credits etc..

The world is not black and white, and abusing others will not force your point across or make people shut up.

I answered the question you set and proved you were wrong.

Yes they use public services. Some of those do not really cost more no matter how many people live in the UK, but obviously some do.
Equally many immigrants earn much more than the average wage.

You want a general consideration of immigration? Links have been posted many times. I am not going down that rabbit hole again

[BGARK]

JustAnotherLogin said:

You want a general consideration of immigration?

Not really, just people to understand that more and more unskilled people (home-grown or external) creates a big problem, the levels of tax created are nowhere near enough, you are lucky to break even for very basic stuff like going to the GP a few times a year, and putting your child in school for a few months.