UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

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Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
Yep he is an odious git who blames everything on those to the south
Eh?

care to explain that one? South?


McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

204 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Scuffers said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Yep he is an odious git who blames everything on those to the south
Eh?

care to explain that one? South?
Whoops i got confused between him and Salmond

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
Whoops i got confused between him and Salmond
LOL!

sounded a bit fishy....

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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dandarez said:
What, you mean disappointed like Milipeed, CallMeDave and Cleggie?

Or do you really believe on May 8th one of them will be standing on the steps of No. 10?

Regardless of how few or how many seats UKIP get, they will have prevented a majority for any of the other 'same ol same' suckers that you and the rest will be voting for ...again, for more of the same.
It is almost certain that Cameron or Miliband will be PM at some point after May 8 either for five years or until a second election.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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whilst we are here, who thinks the changes of another election is liley?

Mrr T

12,231 posts

265 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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don4l said:
Mrr T said:
don4l said:
However, we really don't want to let any criminals in at all.
In which case you really should vote to stay in the EU as the commission is currently working on proposals which will all countries within the EU to share criminal data.

However, how are you going to stop criminals from outside the EU getting access? I am not sure the question, about criminal activity on the UK landing card achieves much.
The landing card is a total red herring.

Immigrants from many parts of the world need to get a visa from the local embassy before they travel. Part of this process involves checking for a criminal record.

See Here:- https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/when-ca...
Hate to let you into a secret but yes I know about visa applications.

All visa application forms have questions about criminal convictions and depending on the level of conviction a visa may not be issued. However, since the embassy will have no access to local police records its impossible for them to check directly. In some countries it is possible to apply to the local police to get a statement of non conviction and I assume the embassy will ask for this where its available. But where its not this is still an honour system.

Mrr T

12,231 posts

265 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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PRTVR said:
Mrr T said:
don4l said:
However, we really don't want to let any criminals in at all.
In which case you really should vote to stay in the EU as the commission is currently working on proposals which will all countries within the EU to share criminal data.
But is that not what Interpol was set up for? Why do we need the EU implement things that could and should be covered by Interpol.
The problem with Interpol is its all largely manual requests to Interpol and then to the third party country. Responses can take weeks.

The EU is already implementing an automated system called ECRIS.

However, legislation in many countries (including the UK) only allows access to past convictions for very specific reasons. This normally means access to any previous convictions data is only available if the individual is a suspect in a crime in the country requesting the information.

The EU commission is considering an EU directive to make the data more widely available. Of cause if we leave the EU we will lose this.

Mrr T

12,231 posts

265 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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TKF said:
Peter Endean, UKIP candidate. Stay classy

What's amusing about the card is based on current policies those people are far more likely to be in the UK based on UKIP policies than Labour policies.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

183 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Mrr T said:
TKF said:
Peter Endean, UKIP candidate. Stay classy

What's amusing about the card is based on current policies those people are far more likely to be in the UK based on UKIP policies than Labour policies.
I see nothing amusing about that card.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

135 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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I thought Labour imported their voters from the Eastern Bloc rather than North Africa?

uk_vette

3,336 posts

204 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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McWigglebum4th said:
Yep he is an odious git who blames everything on those to the south
What's that wiggle?

Are you serious?

He seems to be the only one talking any sence at last.

PRTVR

7,104 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Mrr T said:
PRTVR said:
Mrr T said:
don4l said:
However, we really don't want to let any criminals in at all.
In which case you really should vote to stay in the EU as the commission is currently working on proposals which will all countries within the EU to share criminal data.
But is that not what Interpol was set up for? Why do we need the EU implement things that could and should be covered by Interpol.
The problem with Interpol is its all largely manual requests to Interpol and then to the third party country. Responses can take weeks.

The EU is already implementing an automated system called ECRIS.

However, legislation in many countries (including the UK) only allows access to past convictions for very specific reasons. This normally means access to any previous convictions data is only available if the individual is a suspect in a crime in the country requesting the information.

The EU commission is considering an EU directive to make the data more widely available. Of cause if we leave the EU we will lose this.
So the EU is setting up a system for only the EU when it could have put the money into Interpol and covered most of the world, is that not short sighted?

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Anyone else having second thoughts about voting UKIP and as a consequence letting labour in.
It is something to consider. My own constituency is a labour stronghold despite it being a place were houses regularliy sell for over a £million but thanks to the boundary changes we where cut adrift.
I would love to see UKIP and the Conservative form a Gov only so we can see the SNP and Labour foam at the mouth.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
Anyone else having second thoughts about voting UKIP and as a consequence letting labour in.
It is something to consider. My own constituency is a labour stronghold despite it being a place were houses regularliy sell for over a £million but thanks to the boundary changes we where cut adrift.
I would love to see UKIP and the Conservative form a Gov only so we can see the SNP and Labour foam at the mouth.
Where I live I can have Labour or Green...

Shot or stabbed...
shot or stabbed...
shot, or stabbed...

tricky...scratchchin

Digga

40,320 posts

283 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
Where I live I can have Labour or Green...

Shot or stabbed...
shot or stabbed...
shot, or stabbed...

tricky...scratchchin
Oh for a "cake or death" choice, eh?

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
Where I live I can have Labour or Green...

Shot or stabbed...
shot or stabbed...
shot, or stabbed...

tricky...scratchchin
I would take being shot first I think Stabbing might hurt for longer.

longblackcoat

5,047 posts

183 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
I would love to see UKIP and the Conservative form a Gov only so we can see the SNP and Labour foam at the mouth.
Except you're not going to see that .... so who will be foaming at the month, do you think?

s2art

18,937 posts

253 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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longblackcoat said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I would love to see UKIP and the Conservative form a Gov only so we can see the SNP and Labour foam at the mouth.
Except you're not going to see that .... so who will be foaming at the month, do you think?
Most of the country if Labour and the SNP get in.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

243 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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s2art said:
longblackcoat said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I would love to see UKIP and the Conservative form a Gov only so we can see the SNP and Labour foam at the mouth.
Except you're not going to see that .... so who will be foaming at the month, do you think?
Most of the country if Labour and the SNP get in.
Exactly.

Digga

40,320 posts

283 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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I don't give a st about all that gerrymandering bks. I'm going to vote for whoever I want to vote for, end of.

From the Euro thread, here's something else to consider WRT to the EU: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-21/ecb-prepa...

It's not stopped getting worse yet. Wealthier nations Eurozone or otherwise may yet get bailed-in to sort the mess out.