UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
PRTVR said:
Mrr T said:
PRTVR said:
Mrr T said:
don4l said:
However, we really don't want to let any criminals in at all.
In which case you really should vote to stay in the EU as the commission is currently working on proposals which will all countries within the EU to share criminal data. The EU is already implementing an automated system called ECRIS.
However, legislation in many countries (including the UK) only allows access to past convictions for very specific reasons. This normally means access to any previous convictions data is only available if the individual is a suspect in a crime in the country requesting the information.
The EU commission is considering an EU directive to make the data more widely available. Of cause if we leave the EU we will lose this.
Some times the EU commission do go for an EU approach even when not needed but I think in terms of sharing criminal data its only really going to work within the EU.
Mrr T said:
PRTVR said:
Mrr T said:
PRTVR said:
Mrr T said:
don4l said:
However, we really don't want to let any criminals in at all.
In which case you really should vote to stay in the EU as the commission is currently working on proposals which will all countries within the EU to share criminal data. The EU is already implementing an automated system called ECRIS.
However, legislation in many countries (including the UK) only allows access to past convictions for very specific reasons. This normally means access to any previous convictions data is only available if the individual is a suspect in a crime in the country requesting the information.
The EU commission is considering an EU directive to make the data more widely available. Of cause if we leave the EU we will lose this.
Some times the EU commission do go for an EU approach even when not needed but I think in terms of sharing criminal data its only really going to work within the EU.
Daily politics economics discussion. Labour is getting destroyed, SNP economic policies make the greens policies look realistic. They are genuinely are trying to create the democratic peoples socialist republic of Scotland.
The conservative spokesman was anonymous likewise the libdem, too concerned about attacking labour than explaining their policies.
The UKIP person is doing well, balanced view and eloquent.
Andrew Neill and Robert Peston are really holding the parties spokesman's feet to the fire, well worth a watch.
The conservative spokesman was anonymous likewise the libdem, too concerned about attacking labour than explaining their policies.
The UKIP person is doing well, balanced view and eloquent.
Andrew Neill and Robert Peston are really holding the parties spokesman's feet to the fire, well worth a watch.
Esseesse said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Anyone else having second thoughts about voting UKIP and as a consequence letting labour in.
No.johnxjsc1985 said:
Anyone else having second thoughts about voting UKIP and as a consequence letting labour in.
It is something to consider. My own constituency is a labour stronghold despite it being a place were houses regularliy sell for over a £million but thanks to the boundary changes we where cut adrift.
I would love to see UKIP and the Conservative form a Gov only so we can see the SNP and Labour foam at the mouth.
In many strong Labour seats, UKIP will be the only realistic opposition.It is something to consider. My own constituency is a labour stronghold despite it being a place were houses regularliy sell for over a £million but thanks to the boundary changes we where cut adrift.
I would love to see UKIP and the Conservative form a Gov only so we can see the SNP and Labour foam at the mouth.
jogon said:
Esseesse said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Anyone else having second thoughts about voting UKIP and as a consequence letting labour in.
No.But Labour will not win. Nor will the Tories. Not a majority anyway. It's going to be squabble time after May 7.
Makes no difference, my vote stays the same.
dandarez said:
jogon said:
Esseesse said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Anyone else having second thoughts about voting UKIP and as a consequence letting labour in.
No.But Labour will not win. Nor will the Tories. Not a majority anyway. It's going to be squabble time after May 7.
Makes no difference, my vote stays the same.
For change, real patriots and conservatives must be prepared to withhold their votes from the dishonest and unpatriotic parties for some considerable time, perhaps even 2 or 3 more GE's (or more). Do not endorse a dishonest party that does not represent your views but will try every trick in the book (and they wrote the book) to convince you otherwise of their intentions.
Esseesse said:
Indeed. Also many people seem to me to be hopelessly optimistic in getting 'their Conservative party' back. For one, it's likely it never was quite what you thought it was in the first place, only your eyes had then not been opened to it's real intentions. Mrs T may have been good in many ways, but for almost her entire political life was a 100% committed EU enthusiast.
For change, real patriots and conservatives must be prepared to withhold their votes from the dishonest and unpatriotic parties for some considerable time, perhaps even 2 or 3 more GE's (or more). Do not endorse a dishonest party that does not represent your views but will try every trick in the book (and they wrote the book) to convince you otherwise of their intentions.
Are you saying that your support for the Conservative party and the Conservative party's support for EU membership are mutually exclusive? For change, real patriots and conservatives must be prepared to withhold their votes from the dishonest and unpatriotic parties for some considerable time, perhaps even 2 or 3 more GE's (or more). Do not endorse a dishonest party that does not represent your views but will try every trick in the book (and they wrote the book) to convince you otherwise of their intentions.
I had missed this from William Hague before, this is pre 2010 election...
BBC Article said:
The shadow foreign secretary William Hague argues: "If this treaty is ratified in this country without a referendum and if it is ratified in all other countries and comes into force before a general election, in our view not only would political integration have gone too far but the treaty would lack democratic legitimacy in Britain.
"So, as we have already made clear, that situation would not be acceptable to an incoming Conservative government and we would not let matters rest there."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7470078.stm"So, as we have already made clear, that situation would not be acceptable to an incoming Conservative government and we would not let matters rest there."
Esseesse said:
Greg66 said:
Are you saying that your support for the Conservative party and the Conservative party's support for EU membership are mutually exclusive?
Yes, I will not vote for a party that wants to remain in the EU.Every Con PM since 1957 has been pro-EU membership (even if not necessarily pro-the terms of the UK's EU membership). I'm not sure where IDS/Hague/Howard stood, to be fair, but they don't really count.
Greg66 said:
Surely that means you've never been a Conservative supporter.
Every Con PM since 1957 has been pro-EU membership (even if not necessarily pro-the terms of the UK's EU membership). I'm not sure where IDS/Hague/Howard stood, to be fair, but they don't really count.
I've only been able to vote in 3 GE's, over time things are learned and because of that opinions change.Every Con PM since 1957 has been pro-EU membership (even if not necessarily pro-the terms of the UK's EU membership). I'm not sure where IDS/Hague/Howard stood, to be fair, but they don't really count.
Greg66 said:
Esseesse said:
Greg66 said:
Are you saying that your support for the Conservative party and the Conservative party's support for EU membership are mutually exclusive?
Yes, I will not vote for a party that wants to remain in the EU.Every Con PM since 1957 has been pro-EU membership (even if not necessarily pro-the terms of the UK's EU membership). I'm not sure where IDS/Hague/Howard stood, to be fair, but they don't really count.
It is only in the last 5-10 years that I have begun to realise that the phrase "ever closer union" means exactly what it says.
I've also become very disillusioned with the intrusiveness of several EU directives, such as RoHS and WEEE.
I voted UKIP in 2010, but prior to that I had voted Conservative.
don4l said:
In the past I believed the politicians when they told us that it was just about trade.
It is only in the last 5-10 years that I have begun to realise that the phrase "ever closer union" means exactly what it says.
I've also become very disillusioned with the intrusiveness of several EU directives, such as RoHS and WEEE.
I voted UKIP in 2010, but prior to that I had voted Conservative.
I will admit that if there is one single thing for which I would abolish the EU, it is domestic light bulbs. It is only in the last 5-10 years that I have begun to realise that the phrase "ever closer union" means exactly what it says.
I've also become very disillusioned with the intrusiveness of several EU directives, such as RoHS and WEEE.
I voted UKIP in 2010, but prior to that I had voted Conservative.
I know you've mentioned the "ever closer union" words before, but personally I think you are hanging too much weight on too small a hook there (essentially the logic of your position is a secret conspiracy that has been almost 60 years in the fermentation, and has only recently shown itself; I regard that as a bit too "out there").
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Greg66 said:
I will admit that if there is one single thing for which I would abolish the EU, it is domestic light bulbs.
I know you've mentioned the "ever closer union" words before, but personally I think you are hanging too much weight on too small a hook there (essentially the logic of your position is a secret conspiracy that has been almost 60 years in the fermentation, and has only recently shown itself; I regard that as a bit too "out there").
So you don't believe the aligning of a large part of member states laws and regulations with other member states and a large chunk of said laws being made under a one size fits all policy (see: currency union and open border policy) is anything to do with, or even remotely like "ever closer union"?I know you've mentioned the "ever closer union" words before, but personally I think you are hanging too much weight on too small a hook there (essentially the logic of your position is a secret conspiracy that has been almost 60 years in the fermentation, and has only recently shown itself; I regard that as a bit too "out there").
Not had chance to look at the details but on first glance this doesn't look good for UKIP
ukip battleground polls
ukip battleground polls
Greg66 said:
I will admit that if there is one single thing for which I would abolish the EU, it is domestic light bulbs.
I know you've mentioned the "ever closer union" words before, but personally I think you are hanging too much weight on too small a hook there (essentially the logic of your position is a secret conspiracy that has been almost 60 years in the fermentation, and has only recently shown itself; I regard that as a bit too "out there").
ahemI know you've mentioned the "ever closer union" words before, but personally I think you are hanging too much weight on too small a hook there (essentially the logic of your position is a secret conspiracy that has been almost 60 years in the fermentation, and has only recently shown itself; I regard that as a bit too "out there").
FiF said:
Not had chance to look at the details but on first glance this doesn't look good for UKIP
ukip battleground polls
if you read the detail in the PDF then it kind of makes sense why they got the answers they did.ukip battleground polls
Suffice to say, ask a skewed question, get a skewed answer
FiF said:
Not had chance to look at the details but on first glance this doesn't look good for UKIP
ukip battleground polls
15% increase in vote share isn't to be sniffed at.ukip battleground polls
This isn't a defining election for UKIP because if the LAB/SNP Gov does happen I can see a huge swing to them in England come 2020.
They look like polling better than the Lib/dems but will not get anywhere near the seats.
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