UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

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ninjacost

980 posts

222 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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So have i he's a great guy with no arrogance at all .
steveT350C said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Maybe I am wrong but I get the impression I could have a conversation with NF and he wouldn't talk down to me or treat me like an idiot.Now DC and EM I am fairly sure I would end up nutting them in frustration after about 2 mins.
I am lucky enough to have had a chat with NF and he is exactly that. Down to earth, genuinely happy rubbery smiley face with beer in hand, but, really really genuine.



That interview was not an interview, it was the last chance the establishment had to try and discredit Farage before GE.

Disgraceful BBC. No more money from me, ever.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
One man's caustic rhetoric is another's blatant undeniable common sense truth that has been suppressed from discussion by ideological bigots calling it dangerous, divisive, caustic etc.
what was vile about his words and if there is division its not of his making.
The BBC in particular are scared to death of UKIP the only thing I found vile and repulsive is the BBC

s2art

18,937 posts

253 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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TKF said:
Suppressed from discussion? The Green Party (they got an MP in a GE, remember) would dream of half the coverage and air time that UKIP have had since 2010.
They should be very grateful. If they got the same scrutiny as UKIP then they would be destroyed. They are complete nutters, even the monster raving looney party would shy away from their policies.

PRTVR

7,101 posts

221 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Zod said:
don4l said:
steveT350C said:
Farage on BBC1 for half hour interview starting 19:30, i.e. 16 mins
I notice that they have chosen Evan Davies to interview him.

What blithering idiot decided this?

Davies is not going to be able to hide his hostility, and the result will be an increase in public support.

If they had chosen Dimbleby, then he would have made a small effort to appear impartial. I predict that Davies will be unable to hide his hostility.

BBC... Impartial?
He's interviewing all of them. Calm down. You appear paranoid. Did you not see Miliband's car crash interview with Davies?
But to use Davies own words the tone was different, Miliband's interview was a car crash because he is a car crash,
the interview with Farage was different in all Davies wanted to do was get through a large list of smears against UKIP and when he did not get the answer he wanted quickly move on to the next one, people who have no liking for Farage could see it, the lenth of time that they both were speaking shows it, it was a disgrace,
I have no problem with politician's getting a grilling, that's part of their job, likewise I have a lot of respect for Andrew Neil who I think does a good job interviewing politicians.

FiF

44,061 posts

251 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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TheExcession said:
FiF said:
Not had chance to look at the details but on first glance this doesn't look good for UKIP

ukip battleground polls
To be honest, I wouldn't worry, I had to read all the way to the end, through 75% this, 20% that, 15% something else yada yada yada till I finally got to the bit that should have been posted at the very top

ComRes Methodology said:
ComRes interviewed 1,007 adults living in ten key Conservative-held UKIP target seats – South Thanet, Boston and Skegness, Thurrock, Forest of Dean, Great Yarmouth, North Thanet, East Worthing and Shoreham, Sittingbourne and Sheppey, South Basildon and East Thurrock, and Castle Point. Fieldwork took place by telephone between 17th and 19th April 2015. Each constituency is represented in the sample equally, with data weighted to be demographically representative of all adults living in these constituencies. Data were also weighted by past vote recall. ComRes is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.
When I were a lad we we taught to present the methodology before the results, there's 2 minutes of my life I won't get back, who can I sue?



Edited by TheExcession on Wednesday 22 April 20:06
Blame me. I didn't read the bit that said weighting by recalled vote either. That's the second ComRes poll in a row that has been essentially flawed. Apologies for wasting everyone's time.

Digga

40,316 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Annecdote alert.

Mrs Digga was talking with one of her run training mates yesterday. Apropos of nothing she announced that both her and her husband were going to vote UKIP because they work in the public sector and see what is going on. That angle is not being taken into account by the mainstream media.

don4l

10,058 posts

176 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Halb said:
don4l said:
He is left wing, gay, and a guardian reader. What did you expect?
What has his sexual orientation got to do with it?
Some homosexuals have mis-interpreted UKIP's opposition to gay marriage. They appear to think that UKIP are homophobic.

BGARK

5,494 posts

246 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Halb said:
What channel/programme was this interview on?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05rhmk0/the-leader-interviews-nigel-farage

wc98

10,391 posts

140 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Digga said:
Annecdote alert.

Mrs Digga was talking with one of her run training mates yesterday. Apropos of nothing she announced that both her and her husband were going to vote UKIP because they work in the public sector and see what is going on. That angle is not being taken into account by the mainstream media.
there will be a few surprises in terms of unexpected support for ukip i think. i have no idea about seats, but i think the percentage of the vote will be a fair bit higher than the polls suggest.

Digga

40,316 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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don4l said:
Halb said:
don4l said:
He is left wing, gay, and a guardian reader. What did you expect?
What has his sexual orientation got to do with it?
Some homosexuals have mis-interpreted UKIP's opposition to gay marriage. They appear to think that UKIP are homophobic.
FWIW, I think this assumption is not unreasonable and, in the case of gay men or women, I can see UKIP have handled the topic poorly at best and, at times (remember the ridiculous gays cause flooding comment?) extremely badly.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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don4l said:
Halb said:
don4l said:
He is left wing, gay, and a guardian reader. What did you expect?
What has his sexual orientation got to do with it?
Some homosexuals have mis-interpreted UKIP's opposition to gay marriage. They appear to think that UKIP are homophobic.
So it's not homophobic to oppose gay marriage?

Explain.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

183 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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What puzzles me watching media smoothies interviewing folks in the street, must have seen approaching a hundred such now, without exception many appear to be in some sort of denial. Maybe do not understand the appalling negative magnitude of the Nation's current financial status and such things as the Trade Deficit. It's as though such massively negative impacts do not exist, or, if they do, has little effect on them.

A few dips into my Facebook contacts again show these problems are of little concern to many particularly the younger folks. I'm convinced some actually believe those money trees exist!

Not just Public Sector types, many of those express they understand the need for cuts just as long as they do not affect them. Even conservative minded folks who appear unworried just as long as being in the EU means their next new BMW or other European product will not be more expensive. How good is that for our economy. Of course, not just those me, me, me mindset types, I can understand some business folks having concerns should the Nation ever get the chance to vote on In-Out of the EU, it's very unlikely an OUT decision will come about. It's as though many believe the Nation would be incapable of surviving outside the EU. Maybe they're right and we no longer are collectively made of the right stuff. I do not believe that but, that could be the case in reality.

I think social media has and is continuing to have massive influence on how a wide range of folks see or do nit see things.

Even the three main Political Parties do not have these serious aspects high on their list of messages to the electorate.

Whatever the result in two weeks time, I strongly suspect that once again, this Nation will get it wrong. So depressing.

Art0ir

9,401 posts

170 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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FredClogs said:
So it's not homophobic to oppose gay marriage?

Explain.
They've said they would support it if religious institutions would not be forced to officiate if they didn't want to. Under the ECHR that could happen, they argue.

But you already know that.

Timsta

2,779 posts

246 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Digga said:
FWIW, I think this assumption is not unreasonable and, in the case of gay men or women, I can see UKIP have handled the topic poorly at best and, at times (remember the ridiculous gays cause flooding comment?) extremely badly.
Except that it was a tory MP who said that.

smn159

12,644 posts

217 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Timsta said:
Digga said:
FWIW, I think this assumption is not unreasonable and, in the case of gay men or women, I can see UKIP have handled the topic poorly at best and, at times (remember the ridiculous gays cause flooding comment?) extremely badly.
Except that it was a tory MP who said that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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FredClogs said:
So it's not homophobic to oppose gay marriage?

Explain.
I think it's perfectly possible, and probably quite common, to oppose gay marriage and not have a problem with gay people.

TKF

6,232 posts

235 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Art0ir said:
FredClogs said:
So it's not homophobic to oppose gay marriage?

Explain.
They've said they would support it if religious institutions would not be forced to officiate if they didn't want to. Under the ECHR that could happen, they argue.

But you already know that.
They've managed to shoehorn in something about Europe into their "reasoning". If they could somehow blame immigrants too they'd get the hattrick.

No religious institution has ever been or ever will be forced to officiate. CoE is specifically exempt from the law. But you already know that.

Timsta

2,779 posts

246 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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smn159 said:
All well and fine but he was still a tory when he said it. It just wasn't reported at the time. It's a better headline when he's UKIP.

Digga

40,316 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Esseesse said:
FredClogs said:
So it's not homophobic to oppose gay marriage?

Explain.
I think it's perfectly possible, and probably quite common, to oppose gay marriage and not have a problem with gay people.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the crux was about compelling religious organisations and places of worship to conduct marriage ceremonies. It was not about the rights of gays and lesbians to marry in civil partnership.

I think there is some logical justification in this argument.

smn159

12,644 posts

217 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Timsta said:
smn159 said:
All well and fine but he was still a tory when he said it. It just wasn't reported at the time. It's a better headline when he's UKIP.
Was he? I thought that he expressed his nutty views in a letter to the local paper once he had defected to UKIP