UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

Nobody is ever going to eliminate the debt.

Probably not; I'd like to see it down to a point where it can be serviced for less than the GDP of a small country though.

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

Nobody is ever going to eliminate the debt. There's no point. How many major corporates have no debt?

what kind of argument is that?

Governments/countries are not corporations.

we have NO EXCUSE for running a national debt, none, zero.

The only borrowing the government should ever consider is to pay for big, long term infrastructure projects that have defined costs and payback terms, period.

Borrowing money to plough into public services is laughable, that's not investing, thats just pouring money in, if you can;t sell something to recover its costs, it's not an investment.

[FiF]

WinstonWolf said:

Before UKIP there was no debate...

It's also arguable that it's the media and certain anti-UKIP elements that have concentrated on immigration and not allowed any debate to progress onto other subjects.

We all laugh at Dan Hodges and some of the twaddle he spouts, but respect to the guy, he has proper anti-racist credentials and suffered life changing injuries literally fighting against racism. Yet consider the amount of bile spouted by these fake keyboard warriors who don't even bother to understand the facts.

[WinstonWolf]

FiF said:

WinstonWolf said:

Before UKIP there was no debate...

It's also arguable that it's the media and certain anti-UKIP elements that have concentrated on immigration and not allowed any debate to progress onto other subjects.

We all laugh at Dan Hodges and some of the twaddle he spouts, but respect to the guy, he has proper anti-racist credentials and suffered life changing injuries literally fighting against racism. Yet consider the amount of bile spouted by these fake keyboard warriors who don't even bother to understand the facts.

The Evan Davies interview was interesting, no agenda from him whatsoever...

[TKF]

WinstonWolf said:

Before UKIP there was no debate...

Nick Griffin would disagree.

[johnxjsc1985]

TKF said:

Nick Griffin would disagree.

Not sure if that could be called a debate.Whatever happend to all those lovely people.

[Scuffers]

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

Before UKIP there was no debate...

Nick Griffin would disagree.

in what parallel universe is that a valid comment?

[WinstonWolf]

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

Before UKIP there was no debate...

Nick Griffin would disagree.

That wasn't a debate, the man is an idiot.

Those who would seek to stifle the debate miss an important point, the BNP didn't gain any traction precisely because of what they stand for. UKIP stand for something different, if you can't understand that there's little that can be done about it.

Has anyone here who is considering voting UKIP ever expressed support for the BNP?

If they have I've missed it.

[FredClogs]

johnxjsc1985 said:

TKF said:

Nick Griffin would disagree.

Not sure if that could be called a debate.Whatever happend to all those lovely people.

The ones who were in it for the ruck joined the EDL, the ones who were in it for the supposed politics joined you know who.

[Mojocvh]

FredClogs said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

TKF said:

Nick Griffin would disagree.

Not sure if that could be called a debate.Whatever happend to all those lovely people.

The ones who were in it for the ruck joined the EDL, the ones who were in it for the supposed politics joined you know who.

Reference or withdraw, your choice...

[Scuffers]

FredClogs said:

The ones who were in it for the ruck joined the EDL, the ones who were in it for the supposed politics joined you know who.

Oi, cloggie!

you wanted to know what new ground UKIP broke?

you get answers then change the subject! Classy

[WinstonWolf]

Mojocvh said:

FredClogs said:

johnxjsc1985 said:

TKF said:

Nick Griffin would disagree.

Not sure if that could be called a debate.Whatever happend to all those lovely people.

The ones who were in it for the ruck joined the EDL, the ones who were in it for the supposed politics joined you know who.

Reference or withdraw, your choice...

You can understand the poor dear getting confused, he doesn't even vote

Cloggy, you might want to check which party *actually* has former BNP members before spouting a load of incorrect twaddle...

[Axionknight]

I believe Mr Farage said he was proud that ex BNP voters were now supporting UKIP at the polls.

[Einion Yrth]

Guam said:

Axionknight said:

I believe Mr Farage said he was proud that ex BNP voters were now supporting UKIP at the polls.

So how many times is it you have now posted that particular statement?

To put it into context

a source said:

Speaking at a debate at Chatham House, Mr Farage said BNP voters who had switched to Ukip had been “holding their nose” over what he described as the party's “racist agenda” and found a more suitable home with Ukip.

He added that he had "no truck" with former BNP canidates and that such people were banned from standing for Ukip in the party's constitution.

[don4l]

Axionknight said:

I believe Mr Farage said he was proud that ex BNP voters were now supporting UKIP at the polls.

Is there something wrong with persuading voters who used to vote for extremists, to vote for a moderate centre party instead?

[Axionknight]

Guam said:

So how many times is it you have now posted that particular statement?

Once, just then.

don4l said:

Is there something wrong with persuading voters who used to vote for extremists, to vote for a moderate centre party instead?

Did I say or imply there was?

[Einion Yrth]

Axionknight said:

don4l said:

Is there something wrong with persuading voters who used to vote for extremists, to vote for a moderate centre party instead?

Did I say or imply there was?

The world and his wife would probably have drawn that inference, if no such implication was intended you should probably be more careful.

[Axionknight]

Einion Yrth said:

The world and his wife would probably have drawn that inference, if no such implication was intended you should probably be more careful.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10735155/Nigel-Farage-I-am-proud-to-have-taken-a-third-of-the-BNPs-support.html

Mojocvh asked for proof as it were - is that not proof? Do we have to be careful with the facts now, God forbid.

If so, why, because some people don't like them? Imagine that!

I wonder if they'll stop getting their backs up so easily if I told 'em I'm a UKIP voter too, or maybe not?

KIPPER FIGHT!

Edited by Axionknight on Thursday 23 April 16:06

[FredClogs]

Scuffers said:

FredClogs said:

The ones who were in it for the ruck joined the EDL, the ones who were in it for the supposed politics joined you know who.

Oi, cloggie!

you wanted to know what new ground UKIP broke?

you get answers then change the subject! Classy

I didn't get any answers. Just excuses for the faulty premise.

[TKF]

WinstonWolf said:

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

Before UKIP there was no debate...

Nick Griffin would disagree.

That wasn't a debate, the man is an idiot.

I hoped you might say that. You've instantly dismissed him, even though he had some valid things to say (eg Rochdale), because you personally dislike him and the way he said things.

Some people see Farage and UKIP as BNP in blazers. A sort of BNP lite whose core message is fundamentally the same but they're better spoken and have fewer tattoos. Dismiss this as much as you like but it's what some people think.

UKIP have taken the debate on leaps and bounds vs BNP. Still a long way to go though.