UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[NicD]

This is one headline to avoid:

'Tories and Labour hit by early election setbacks'

[Mrr T]

don4l said:

JustAnotherLogin said:

don4l said:

Guernsey and the Isle of Man have successfully negotiated deals from outside the EU. What on Earth makes you think that the UK couldn't?

Your question is preposturous.

Also, it has been covered many times in this thread. If you don't like the answer, then stop asking the question.

Einstein had something to say about this type of behaviour.

Edited to correct idiocy.

Fair point that no matter what the facts, you won't change your mind. Unfortunately whether or not I post the facts, you still keep posting the idiocy

I trust that you have noticed that I am happy to engage in civilised debate.

If you are going to accuse me of posting idiocy, then perhaps you could show me the courtesy of demonstrating my idiocy.

What do you think that I wrote that was idiotic?

Please quote me.

If you want to know what you wrote which was wrong please let me help. You wrote:

"Guernsey and the Isle of Man have successfully negotiated deals from outside the EU. What on Earth makes you think that the UK couldn't?"

I can see no evidence either has any trade treaties with any country. The relationship with the EU is:

"As with Jersey and Guernsey, the Isle of Man is not part of the United Kingdom or a direct member of the European Community and its relationship with the EU is defined under Article 355(5)(c) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (former Article 299 of the EC Treaty) and Protocol 3 of the Act of Accession, annexed to the Treaty of Accession 1972, by which the United Kingdom became a member of the European Economic Community. "

Above from Wiki but is I know correct.

[Axionknight]

Protocall 3 of the Act of Accession to the Treaty of Rome permits IOM goods to be traded without tarriff, their goods can be freely moved within the EU, but "capital and services" cannot be.

http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ebusiness/advantages/pr...

[Scuffers]

Axionknight said:

Protocall 3 of the Act of Accession to the Treaty of Rome permits IOM goods to be traded without tarriff, their goods can be freely moved within the EU, but "capital and services" cannot be.

http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ebusiness/advantages/pr...

reading was never one of his strong points....

[Mrr T]

Scuffers said:

Axionknight said:

Protocall 3 of the Act of Accession to the Treaty of Rome permits IOM goods to be traded without tarriff, their goods can be freely moved within the EU, but "capital and services" cannot be.

http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ebusiness/advantages/pr...

reading was never one of his strong points....

don4l said:

"Guernsey and the Isle of Man have successfully negotiated deals from outside the EU. What on Earth makes you think that the UK couldn't?"

I pointed out Guernsey and the Isle of Man have never negotiated a deal. There trade with the EU is covered by the 1972 act of accession which was negotiated by, guess who, the UK Government.

So why do you not read the post before posting stupid comments.

[Scuffers]

Mrr T said:

don4l said:

"Guernsey and the Isle of Man have successfully negotiated deals from outside the EU. What on Earth makes you think that the UK couldn't?"

I pointed out Guernsey and the Isle of Man have never negotiated a deal. There trade with the EU is covered by the 1972 act of accession which was negotiated by, guess who, the UK Government.

So why do you not read the post before posting stupid comments.

so, youre trying to tell us they have nothing to do with it then?

Yes, right....

[handpaper]

TKF said:

Kippers really don't like that same sex marriage thing do they?

Some don't, no.
Neither do some Tories, some Labour supporters and even some LibDems. As a party with massive Catholic support, Sinn Fein are likely to have many voters opposed; ironically a trait shared with the DUP.
It's worth noting that, uniquely, UKIP's opposition was based on liberty, not bigotry.

[Scuffers]

handpaper said:

TKF said:

Kippers really don't like that same sex marriage thing do they?

Some don't, no.
Neither do some Tories, some Labour supporters and even some LibDems. As a party with massive Catholic support, Sinn Fein are likely to have many voters opposed; ironically a trait shared with the DUP.
It's worth noting that, uniquely, UKIP's opposition was based on liberty, not bigotry.

yup, and more to the point, they have not placed a single bit of policy on it.

same for breast feeding mothers, etc etc etc.

bit different from being members of PIE and the like though don't you think?

[jogon]

TKF said:

Kippers really don't like that same sex marriage thing do they?

No problem here I am looking forward to marrying my fiancé at his local mosque.

[FiF]

Guam said:

jogon said:

No problem here I am looking forward to marrying my fiancé at his local mosque.

indeed

[handpaper]

Scuffers said:

yup, and more to the point, they have not placed a single bit of policy on it.

same for breast feeding mothers, etc etc etc.

bit different from being members of PIE and the like though don't you think?

Oddly enough, the PIE stuff doesn't bother me much. As far as I'm concerned, it's a FoS issue - and there's a big difference between supporting someone's freedoms and campaigning on their behalf. I'd much rather hear opinions, even if I vehemently disagree, than have them silenced. Opinions can be argued; suppression gives victimhood.

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

Axionknight said:

Protocall 3 of the Act of Accession to the Treaty of Rome permits IOM goods to be traded without tarriff, their goods can be freely moved within the EU, but "capital and services" cannot be.

http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ebusiness/advantages/pr...

reading was never one of his strong points....

What goods does the IoM export? Almost nothing. Its entire economy is based on capital and services. The tariff deal is therefore next to worthless.

[Axionknight]

TKF said:

Kippers really don't like that same sex marriage thing do they?

This one doesn't really care either way, he doesn't like sweeping statements like the one you made though.

[Mrr T]

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

don4l said:

"Guernsey and the Isle of Man have successfully negotiated deals from outside the EU. What on Earth makes you think that the UK couldn't?"

I pointed out Guernsey and the Isle of Man have never negotiated a deal. There trade with the EU is covered by the 1972 act of accession which was negotiated by, guess who, the UK Government.

So why do you not read the post before posting stupid comments.

so, youre trying to tell us they have nothing to do with it then?

Yes, right....

So with the UK negotiating its entry to the EU I am sure the lead negotiators where from the Channel Island and the IOM.

I cannot not see any indication of who did the actual negotiation but I would assume they where mainly, if not all from the UK.

I also suggest if the UK had decided not to join the EU, the EU would not have negotiated entry with the Channel Islands and the IOM. Still laughing at the idea.

[WinstonWolf]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Einion Yrth said:

Esseesse said:

WinstonWolf said:

That's the Tories 2010 manifesto, it manages to sound very pro-referendum with the detail being in the small print.

I think the key is the part the bit that says "proposed future Treaty". I haven't read them but from what I can tell, the last one (constitution) is self-amending so therefore in theory no further treaties are required?

Got it in one, smoke and mirrors.

But irrespective of wording, no more competencies or power has passed to the EU. SO that commitment has been met.

As I said, small print...

[FiF]

Zod said:

Scuffers said:

Axionknight said:

Protocall 3 of the Act of Accession to the Treaty of Rome permits IOM goods to be traded without tarriff, their goods can be freely moved within the EU, but "capital and services" cannot be.

http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ebusiness/advantages/pr...

reading was never one of his strong points....

What goods does the IoM export? Almost nothing. Its entire economy is based on capital and services. The tariff deal is therefore next to worthless.

Now now worldwide exports of Manx kippers. That's not to be ignored.

Ba dum tish.

[brenflys777]

The poor standard of debate that the conservatives/Cameron and Labour/Milliband set the precedent with and the fact they haven't condemmed or disowned the threats/assaults and intimidation of Farage is already making for a nasty and intolerant election campaign. They should be ashamed.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/31/antifa-...

[anonymous-user]

brenflys777 said:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/03/31/antifa-...

That is one hardcore nutjob website right there.

[TKF]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxxeE83KQ4I

You know those idiot protesters that harassed and intimidated Farage and his family in the pub recently? Well Britain First decided to show them it wasn't on by, erm, harassing and intimidating them.

[Scuffers]

TKF said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxxeE83KQ4I

You know those idiot protesters that harassed and intimidated Farage and his family in the pub recently? Well Britain First decided to show them it wasn't on by, erm, harassing and intimidating them.

that went well!

Much as I can see what they were getting at, that really does not help anybody.