UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[Axionknight]

Art0ir said:

Farage's feet on the ground doing the trick perhaps. Small poll in fairness but quite a swing nonetheless.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-far...

Fingers crossed!!

[FiF]

mrpurple said:

FiF said:

I've been in the Edinburgh Military Tattoo. Does that help any?

Where is that held...Glasgow?

Some nights you wish it was anywhere else other than Scotland, as does, one suspects, the audience.

[handpaper]

Just listened to Stephen Woolfe on R4Today, talking about the migrant problem in the Med. Sounded measured, compassionate, and informed. UKIP won't have been hurt at all by that interview.

[FiF]

Mojocvh said:

Did the tory candidate get the job as police commissioner?

No he was beaten in the first and second round of votes convincingly into second place. Problem was the person who trounced him was Ann Barnes, if you can remember that disaster of a PCC on that TV documentary. Not sure what that says really about the quality of the candidates to lose to that. The winner was an Independent, so maybe there's a "none of the established parties" faction in Kent.

[Zod]

handpaper said:

Just listened to Stephen Woolfe on R4Today, talking about the migrant problem in the Med. Sounded measured, compassionate, and informed. UKIP won't have been hurt at all by that interview.

I too thought he was very good.

[MGJohn]

Within a 1/4 mile of my home, there are two political posters only to be seen in folks' front gardens. Both are for UKIP. One is a larger comprehensive structure on several posts. The other the more usual board on a post. I did notice when walking past the latter the board was lying on the grass verge about fifty feet away... wind or vandals?

Most unusual that there are no boards out for any of the other major parties, unlike in the run-up to previous General Elections.

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It's a sign!
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[djdest]

Ive only seen two so far, both for conservative.
One on the side of a main road, and the other near a roundabout. They're apart a mile apart

[anonymous-user]

Guam said:

Seriously ?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/572212/Newc...

This election is really bringing out the nutjobs!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/572246/Labo...

Yeah but he has paid his deposit and is allowed to stand so what can you do?

Seriously though, an emotive article about a UKIP candidate threatened by a bloke with an Asian name from a paper whose owner just donated a huge sum to UKIP, not really going to be impartial are they?

Droive through Wilts south of the M4 yestterday, loads and loads of Con signs and placards out, seems the farming community is stil lblue.

[smn159]

pablo said:

Yeah but he has paid his deposit and is allowed to stand so what can you do?

Seriously though, an emotive article about a UKIP candidate threatened by a bloke with an Asian name from a paper whose owner just donated a huge sum to UKIP, not really going to be impartial are they?

Journos will have been instructed to dig up / embellish anything they can find to induce pro-UKIP outrage in the run up to the election.

Seems to be working on here at least

[Disastrous]

WinstonWolf said:

You're rattled, how cute.

Are you willing to share your reasons for your prejudice against people with inked skin with the group?

You have been very outspoken about people you *think* are prejudiced in the past, it's only right and proper you explain what you really meant by it.

Nobody can really be that stupid so presume you're simply pretending to think that TKF has a problem with tattoos to avoid his actual point?

[smn159]

Guam said:

smn159 said:

Journos will have been instructed to dig up / embellish anything they can find to induce pro-UKIP outrage in the run up to the election.

Seems to be working on here at least

As opposed to the ANTI Ukip stuff that was dug up and embellished over the last year by every other media outlet, does it make the reports untrue?
Or is it only true if its a Tory candidate it happens to?

I find that the source of the message and their likely agenda need as much if not more consideration than the message itself.
If you start from the position that stuff in the Express is likely to be made up / embellished / spun to fit an agenda you won't go far wrong.

YMMV

[steveT350C]

Farage has 9 point lead in S. Thanet

[don4l]

steveT350C said:

Farage has 9 point lead in S. Thanet

Excellent news!

[johnxjsc1985]

steveT350C said:

Farage has 9 point lead in S. Thanet

No the BBC said he was struggling.I think as this campaign goes on that will increase.

[WinstonWolf]

Disastrous said:

WinstonWolf said:

You're rattled, how cute.

Are you willing to share your reasons for your prejudice against people with inked skin with the group?

You have been very outspoken about people you *think* are prejudiced in the past, it's only right and proper you explain what you really meant by it.

Nobody can really be that stupid so presume you're simply pretending to think that TKF has a problem with tattoos to avoid his actual point?

It's a valid point, I wonder what his problem is with people with tattoos? Why would the number of tattoos a person has actually matter?

Prejudice comes in many forms...

[FiF]

Guam said:

smn159 said:

I find that the source of the message and their likely agenda need as much if not more consideration than the message itself.
If you start from the position that stuff in the Express is likely to be made up / embellished / spun to fit an agenda you won't go far wrong.

YMMV

In that case you need to discount all reports including photographic evidence from ALL media outlets as they all have agendas, either the incident occurred or it didnt.

I doubt he would have contacted the authorities if it hadn't occurred

I guess you will disregard this as it was in the Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3046335/...

Also let's not forget that the Telegraph desk has strict instructions from their owners to live up to the Torygraph nickname. Stories which harm Cons to be spiked or downplayed.

[anarki]

What concerns me with ukip is how can we know what the ramifications would be should we depart the EU.

I know that we would save money from not having to pay our contribution to it. I know we'd have more control over local issues and laws, etc.

What about the negatives from leaving it? It can't just be a simple split with no worries to consider, there's important issues such as trade, the freedom to travel, live, work, study and retire anywhere in the EU, etc.

I'm not pro EU by the way, just trying to get facts. One of the facts is that without knowing the effect of leaving the EU how can ukip have a credible economic plan?

I've watched a few of the live debates, question time and what not, the one thing I've noticed is ukip banging on about their manifesto being independently costed by an impartial think-tank.

With the giant "unknown" of severance of the EU I fail to believe it'll all be peachy.

[TEKNOPUG]

anarki said:

What concerns me with ukip is how can we know what the ramifications would be should we depart the EU.

I know that we would save money from not having to pay our contribution to it. I know we'd have more control over local issues and laws, etc.

What about the negatives from leaving it? It can't just be a simple split with no worries to consider, there's important issues such as trade, the freedom to travel, live, work, study and retire anywhere in the EU, etc.

I'm not pro EU by the way, just trying to get facts. One of the facts is that without knowing the effect of leaving the EU how can ukip have a credible economic plan?

I've watched a few of the live debates, question time and what not, the one thing I've noticed is ukip banging on about their manifesto being independently costed by an impartial think-tank.

With the giant "unknown" of severance of the EU I fail to believe it'll all be peachy.

Do you think that staying in the EU will all be peachy? It's very existance is based on a failed premise; a lie. Do you think that the EU will go from strength to strength in the future? Greece looking to default, the other PIIGS looking on, Eurozone in crisis, stagnant growth. Do you really want to stay onboard whilst it continues towards it's inevitable conclusion? Or would it be better to get off now and start making plans and rebuilding our trade relations with other countries? The UK could become a very attractive place for a lot of EU based companies, whilst the EU continues to ship water.

[Digga]

anarki said:

What about the negatives from leaving it? It can't just be a simple split with no worries to consider, there's important issues such as trade, the freedom to travel, live, work, study and retire anywhere in the EU, etc.

In terms of freedom, arguably the onefreedom we will instantly achieve is that of the ECHR - we will be able to set our own laws, as we see fit.

Personal freedoms - travel - could easily remain.

Business and trade would logically (without a nose-to-cut-off-face response from the EU) continue because, do not forget, the UK is one of the Eu's largest export markets. There is a mutual trade.

One would hope co-existence and co-operation with the rest of Europe can continue too. There are other nations - notably Switzerland - for whom this arrangement works perfectly well. Why not also the UK?

In truth, no one can know, but on balance I see it as the right way for the UK.

[TTwiggy]

Digga said:

n terms of freedom, arguably the onefreedom we will instantly achieve is that of the ECHR - we will be able to set our own laws, as we see fit.

Personal freedoms - travel - could easily remain.

Business and trade would logically (without a nose-to-cut-off-face response from the EU) continue because, do not forget, the UK is one of the Eu's largest export markets. There is a mutual trade.

One would hope co-existence and co-operation with the rest of Europe can continue too. There are other nations - notably Switzerland - for whom this arrangement works perfectly well. Why not also the UK?

In truth, no one can know, but on balance I see it as the right way for the UK.

My understanding is that the EU and the EHCR are seperate entities and that leaving the EU would have no bearing on our relationship with the EHCR - which, let us not forget, was partly the brainchild of that famous lefty Sir Winston Churchill.