UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
Axionknight said:
Greg66 said:
I am happy to read this. Minds are still open.
There are many ways to express disapproval at the current Govt. There are many ways to show support for the party of your choice.
Throwing the country under the bus isn't the way to do either though.
So voting for UKIP is throwing the nation under the bus?There are many ways to express disapproval at the current Govt. There are many ways to show support for the party of your choice.
Throwing the country under the bus isn't the way to do either though.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 26th April 19:31
The trouble with tactical voting is that a vote for the Conservatives to keep out Labour will just reassure the Conservatives that they're on the right path. And for each vote to keep out Labour, there'll be at least another elsewhere to keep out the Tories.
Both Labour and the Tories need a massive shake up imho. I'm in agreement with Peter Hitchens that the best thing for the Tories would've been to lose the last election to a Labour majority, causing the Tories to implode and from those ashes might have risen a Tory party worthy of the title 'Conservatives'.
Whilst the Conservatives might claim to be the only ones to trust on the economy, it's more a case of "not quite as bad". The deficit is over £100b a year and actually increased 2013 to 2014. Exports are stagnant. GDP per capita is stagnant. Government debt has reached £1.6T. We're still pursuing a low carbon energy policy in a futile attempt to prevent a non warming climate from warming, despite our total CO2 output representing only a tiny fraction of the world's CO2 output. This Government's very first budget increased VAT, a most regressive tax, which undoubtedly suppressed domestic consumption at a time of recession.
With the amount of extra Government debt taken on in the last 5 years, and despite their best efforts to send as much of it abroad in aid as they can, our economy damn well should be one of the fastest growing in Europe.
Both Labour and the Tories need a massive shake up imho. I'm in agreement with Peter Hitchens that the best thing for the Tories would've been to lose the last election to a Labour majority, causing the Tories to implode and from those ashes might have risen a Tory party worthy of the title 'Conservatives'.
Whilst the Conservatives might claim to be the only ones to trust on the economy, it's more a case of "not quite as bad". The deficit is over £100b a year and actually increased 2013 to 2014. Exports are stagnant. GDP per capita is stagnant. Government debt has reached £1.6T. We're still pursuing a low carbon energy policy in a futile attempt to prevent a non warming climate from warming, despite our total CO2 output representing only a tiny fraction of the world's CO2 output. This Government's very first budget increased VAT, a most regressive tax, which undoubtedly suppressed domestic consumption at a time of recession.
With the amount of extra Government debt taken on in the last 5 years, and despite their best efforts to send as much of it abroad in aid as they can, our economy damn well should be one of the fastest growing in Europe.
Greg66 said:
There are many ways to express disapproval at the current Govt. There are many ways to show support for the party of your choice.
Not sure about this. Its only the final numbers that seem to matter.Edited by Greg66 on Sunday 26th April 19:31
How do you suggest we express disapproval?
Stirling work TKF, you've certainly gone up in everyone's estimation.jagnet said:
The trouble with tactical voting is that a vote for the Conservatives to keep out Labour will just reassure the Conservatives that they're on the right path. And for each vote to keep out Labour, there'll be at least another elsewhere to keep out the Tories.
Both Labour and the Tories need a massive shake up imho. I'm in agreement with Peter Hitchens that the best thing for the Tories would've been to lose the last election to a Labour majority, causing the Tories to implode and from those ashes might have risen a Tory party worthy of the title 'Conservatives'.
Whilst the Conservatives might claim to be the only ones to trust on the economy, it's more a case of "not quite as bad". The deficit is over £100b a year and actually increased 2013 to 2014. Exports are stagnant. GDP per capita is stagnant. Government debt has reached £1.6T. We're still pursuing a low carbon energy policy in a futile attempt to prevent a non warming climate from warming, despite our total CO2 output representing only a tiny fraction of the world's CO2 output. This Government's very first budget increased VAT, a most regressive tax, which undoubtedly suppressed domestic consumption at a time of recession.
With the amount of extra Government debt taken on in the last 5 years, and despite their best efforts to send as much of it abroad in aid as they can, our economy damn well should be one of the fastest growing in Europe.
a good timely reminder of some of the reasons ukip are even on the political map. for all the talk of short termism on here, it amazes me that people are still willing to vote for more of the same old fBoth Labour and the Tories need a massive shake up imho. I'm in agreement with Peter Hitchens that the best thing for the Tories would've been to lose the last election to a Labour majority, causing the Tories to implode and from those ashes might have risen a Tory party worthy of the title 'Conservatives'.
Whilst the Conservatives might claim to be the only ones to trust on the economy, it's more a case of "not quite as bad". The deficit is over £100b a year and actually increased 2013 to 2014. Exports are stagnant. GDP per capita is stagnant. Government debt has reached £1.6T. We're still pursuing a low carbon energy policy in a futile attempt to prevent a non warming climate from warming, despite our total CO2 output representing only a tiny fraction of the world's CO2 output. This Government's very first budget increased VAT, a most regressive tax, which undoubtedly suppressed domestic consumption at a time of recession.
With the amount of extra Government debt taken on in the last 5 years, and despite their best efforts to send as much of it abroad in aid as they can, our economy damn well should be one of the fastest growing in Europe.
king ste time and time again .no thought for any real meaningful change ,just more of the same peado facilitating,duck pond expenses claiming, sweetheart deal making to ensure a nice non exec directorship job post political career ,lying, cheating ,self aggrandising s.there is only one manifesto out there with any sort of vision of how the uk could change for the better, and it is neither red nor blue.
TKF said:
don4l said:
TKF said:
WinstonWolf said:
I'm sure he'll tell us why the number of tattoos a person has matters, then we can all move on...
Shut upIn case you have forgotten, let me remind you about what you wrote.
TKF said:
Some people see Farage and UKIP as BNP in blazers. A sort of BNP lite whose core message is fundamentally the same but they're better spoken and have fewer tattoos. Dismiss this as much as you like but it's what some people think.
I know that you disapprove of bigots. You have said so in the past.Wouldn't it be easier if you just apologised for the above comment?
Now shut up.
TKF said:
Don't be dheads. I made no judgements about tattoos, I merely observed that BNP candidates are more likely to have tattoos than UKIP candidates. Do you disagree?
You have played the "bigot" card in the past. Don't be surprised when you get called out for your own displays of bigotry.heads. I made no judgements about tattoos, I merely observed that BNP candidates are more likely to have tattoos than UKIP candidates. Do you disagree?You observed that BNP candidates are more likely to have tattoos than UKIP candidates. I do not question this assertion because I have made no observations on the subject.
TKF said:
WinstonWolf said:
It wasn't.
Are you deaf? Shut up Had enough of your trolling so I'll leave the final word to your lord and master
TKF said:
Don't be dheads. I made no judgements about tattoos, I merely observed that BNP candidates are more likely to have tattoos than UKIP candidates. Do you disagree?
Feel free to tell me to "Shut up."heads. I made no judgements about tattoos, I merely observed that BNP candidates are more likely to have tattoos than UKIP candidates. Do you disagree?wc98 said:
a good timely reminder of some of the reasons ukip are even on the political map. for all the talk of short termism on here, it amazes me that people are still willing to vote for more of the same old fking ste time and time again .no thought for any real meaningful change ,just more of the same peado facilitating,duck pond expenses claiming, sweetheart deal making to ensure a nice non exec directorship job post political career ,lying, cheating ,self aggrandising s.
there is only one manifesto out there with any sort of vision of how the uk could change for the better, and it is neither red nor blue.
Your frustration reflects my own. So Labour / SNP / Plaid / Greens are standing on a platform of keeping out the Torieeees. The Tories are standing on a platform of keeping out Labour whilst dismissing their best hope of defeating Labour in their heartlands as fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists (such political genius). Manifestos as usual appear to simply be a collection of bribes to certain target demographics. king ste time and time again .no thought for any real meaningful change ,just more of the same peado facilitating,duck pond expenses claiming, sweetheart deal making to ensure a nice non exec directorship job post political career ,lying, cheating ,self aggrandising s.there is only one manifesto out there with any sort of vision of how the uk could change for the better, and it is neither red nor blue.
Is it any wonder that so many people don't feel enthused to go out and vote and that the only party that really seems to be attracting previous non voters is UKIP. Yet the suggestion is that those UKIP voters should forego the opportunity to vote for a party that they feel best represents them and instead lend their vote to a party that has derided and insulted them for so long, and one so arrogant as to have believed that it was all just protest voting and that come the election UKIP voters would dutifully "return home".
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