UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[FiF]

Axionknight said:

If only people felt compelled to vote for the Tory party eh?

That's the point. So Cameron's convictions are different, fair enough. So nobody should have a problem with people saying "enough of this tribalism, I will make my mind up on policies and other reasons using my own free will"

If their convictions are different and Cameron cannot persuade enough people to vote for his tribe he deserves to be discarded.

[WinstonWolf]

longblackcoat said:

WinstonWolf said:

968 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Stirling work TKF, you've certainly gone up in everyone's estimation.

Or maybe not.

He answered the facile questions put to him unlike your cowardly self who slithered around like a greased eel when asked direct questions. I'd suspect he doesn't give a jot about the likes of you think about him.

It's a perfectly valid question, if he's going to call people bigots because of his own preconceptions I will helpfully point it out when he does it to others.

And the question remains unanswered, none of us know why having less tattoos matters to him...

Fewer. FEWER!! AAAARRGH!!!

Eight items or less Doh...

[jagnet]

968 said:

What Cameron didn't do was lie to the public about wmds and then plunge us into two pointless and disastrous global wars which have made the world much more dangerous. The fact he didn't have a choice is irrelevant, he actually respected the rule of the people, not disregard it like Blair.

We may not have troops on the ground in Syria and Libya, but the situations there are no less troubling for the West and nor should Cameron's foreign policies any less troubling for this country.

Peter Ford said:

If Cameron had had his way, the jihadis could be in control of Damascus by now ... Having got away with bombing Libya (with barely a thought for the poor Libyans, whose country is now a tragic mess) he must have arrogantly thought that Syria would make a nice encore ... This is all the more deplorable because Cameron’s unthinking policy on Syria can only have fuelled the rise of support for jihadism among British Muslim youth.

Cameron’s unthinking policy on Syria has fuelled the rise of British jihadism


Nonsensical, inconsistent and reckless; his foreign, defence and internal security policies based on little save arrogance, ignorance and wishful thinking, according to the former British ambassador to Syria (2003 to 2006).

Forgive me for not thinking that Cameron is any less dangerous than Blair.

[TKF]

UKIP have bagged themselves a high-profile celebrity endorsement. Ian Brady

[Scuffers]

jagnet said:

Nonsensical, inconsistent and reckless; his foreign, defence and internal security policies based on little save arrogance, ignorance and wishful thinking, according to the former British ambassador to Syria (2003 to 2006).

Forgive me for not thinking that Cameron is any less dangerous than Blair.

you have a point..

Some of these problems stem from the fact that the foreign office these days is lacking a lot of top shelf analysts and diplomats these days, and those that are left get ignored by the politicians who think they know better.

[Einion Yrth]

TKF said:

UKIP have bagged themselves a high-profile celebrity endorsement. Ian Brady

It's not like he's standing for parliament on an official UKIP ticket, is it you berk? I'm sure all of the parties will have some less than salubrious fellow travellers. (You presumably support someone, after all).

[TKF]

Einion Yrth said:

It's not like he's standing for parliament on an official UKIP ticket, is it you berk?

I didn't say he was, did I you berk?

[Asterix]

Pillocks, the both of you!

[Scuffers]

Asterix said:

Pillocks, the both of you!

this ^^^^

[PRTVR]

TKF said:

UKIP have bagged themselves a high-profile celebrity endorsement. Ian Brady

I find it interesting that people go out of their way to find stories like this, was it posted on the UKIP website? No, what possible point could there be to this type of story its not like there is an election coming up, all some people can do is to try to discredit other parties, because that all the main parties can do, because they cannot offer the electorate anything.its Sad really.

[jagnet]

Scuffers said:

you have a point..

Some of these problems stem from the fact that the foreign office these days is lacking a lot of top shelf analysts and diplomats these days, and those that are left get ignored by the politicians who think they know better.

Spot on imho, and a parliamentary report would appear to support that.

The Guardian said:

Budget cuts and low pay at the Foreign Office are endangering the UK’s global role and could have a “disastrous and costly” effect on the government’s ability to make informed judgments on critical issues, including whether to go to war, according to a parliamentary report.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/27/fo...

But it's ok, foreign aid is up so it's all good.

[Zod]

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

It wasn't.

Are you deaf? Shut up

Had enough of your trolling so I'll leave the final word to your lord and master

FFS!

[Axionknight]

Is that what you shout during the vinegar strokes?

[Zod]

jagnet said:

Scuffers said:

you have a point..

Some of these problems stem from the fact that the foreign office these days is lacking a lot of top shelf analysts and diplomats these days, and those that are left get ignored by the politicians who think they know better.

Spot on imho, and a parliamentary report would appear to support that.

The Guardian said:

Budget cuts and low pay at the Foreign Office are endangering the UK’s global role and could have a “disastrous and costly” effect on the government’s ability to make informed judgments on critical issues, including whether to go to war, according to a parliamentary report.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/27/fo...

But it's ok, foreign aid is up so it's all good.

I love the way you are picking up on an article placed in the Guardian by Foreign Office insiders.

[Zod]

Axionknight said:

Is that what you shout during the vinegar strokes?

You are sick!

[jagnet]

Zod said:

love the way you are picking up on an article placed in the Guardian by Foreign Office insiders.

The original report is available if you wish:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/...

"To pursue a target of a 10 per cent reduction in headcount by March 2016 at a time when demand for policy advice is acute, and when staff are already under pressure from what Sir Simon described as "more or less continual crisis in world events"[28] seems perverse."

"I think it's probably true that our ability to have the in-depth knowledge and take the time to have the depth of analysis is gradually diminishing. "

"It is alarming that the strongest criticisms that we hear about FCO capability relate to regions where there is particular instability and where there is the greatest need for FCO expertise in order to inform policy-making. "

"There is a significant difference between rates of pay for FCO staff and rates for staff in what might be called comparable departments, such as the Department for International Development and the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills. For instance, the minimum pay for a Grade 7 employee in the Department for International Development in 2013 was £49,500,[64] whereas it was £43,500 at the FCO."

et cetera, et cetera

[968]

WinstonWolf said:

It's a perfectly valid question, if he's going to call people bigots because of his own preconceptions I will helpfully point it out when he does it to others.

And the question remains unanswered, none of us know why having less tattoos matters to him...

I think you're the last person on earth who could start complaining about evasion of questions, your conduct many pages ago on this thread was the height of cowardice in that regard.

[WinstonWolf]

968 said:

WinstonWolf said:

It's a perfectly valid question, if he's going to call people bigots because of his own preconceptions I will helpfully point it out when he does it to others.

And the question remains unanswered, none of us know why having less tattoos matters to him...

I think you're the last person on earth who could start complaining about evasion of questions, your conduct many pages ago on this thread was the height of cowardice in that regard.

The question still stands, why should the colour of the ink on someone's skin matter?

[MGJohn]

Zod said:

I love the way you are picking up on an article placed in the Guardian by Foreign Office insiders.

Apparently most Civil Servants at all levels and Public Service employees understand the need for cuts and are generally in favour of them just as long as they do not affect them directly in any way as they are a special case. Sincerely, they insist they could be paid more in the Private Sector for doing the same job. Whereas in reality, there are few non-jobs for life opportunities in the Private Sector.

Just another part of the recipe for a Nation in continuing decline still excelling at getting far too many things quite simply wrong..

Not to forget, we need more immigrants to survive.

[MGJohn]

WinstonWolf said:

The question still stands, why should the colour of the ink on someone's skin matter?

Tattoos .. who really needs them?

A far more relevant and more appropriate question has to be: What the impact on the UK's INTERNational Health Service will be when they go wrong or they need them removed.

Watching Ed. M. on BBC News Channel right Now. He's talking the talk and no doubt will impress many and generate many votes from the believers.

Reality for this Nation is a whole different kettle of ball games.

We're still doomed and I'm still voting for Nigel's party.