UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[MGJohn]

PRTVR said:

UKIP candidate was threatened with beheading,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32...

Wow ... Not seen a single mention of that on any of the main TV News Channels. Someone actually brought to book for it too. Surely deserves more exposure or have the powers that be quashed the "free speaking" media on this for some reason or other. At least the lefty BBC has it on-line.

Message to UKIP... we need more immigrants. We're told this time and time again so must be correct.

Plus... on TV right now. Same old stuff from Red Ed. "Working Families" will be a billion quid worse off under five more years of Cameron and the Tories.

I don't think I can take another eight days of this stuff...

[BGARK]

Nigel today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTwOap7ohc4

[jogon]

Posted a week ago by Gerald Warner over on Breitbart but it really is becoming ever so apparent..

"There are currently two general elections taking place. The first and more advertised is the fantasy election being conducted within the imagination of the political class, the BBC, the dead-tree press and the vast array of public bodies, quangos and similar running dogs of the consensual establishment. Their views are uniform: Europhile, PC, metropolitan, elitist and wholly divorced from real-life Britain. This virtual election is the one being reported in the mainstream media.

The second election is the one whose result will be reported in the early hours of 8 May – the first occasion on which all the elements cited above will finally come face to face with concrete reality. That reality may, at first sight, be deceptive. It is very unlikely, for example, to be a UKIP landslide; that party’s growth and influence will be more protracted and subtle than to produce such an outcome in 2015 (2020 may be a different story)"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/22/there-a...

[Disastrous]

jogon said:

Posted a week ago by Gerald Warner over on Breitbart but it really is becoming ever so apparent..

"There are currently two general elections taking place. The first and more advertised is the fantasy election being conducted within the imagination of the political class, the BBC, the dead-tree press and the vast array of public bodies, quangos and similar running dogs of the consensual establishment. Their views are uniform: Europhile, PC, metropolitan, elitist and wholly divorced from real-life Britain. This virtual election is the one being reported in the mainstream media.

The second election is the one whose result will be reported in the early hours of 8 May – the first occasion on which all the elements cited above will finally come face to face with concrete reality. That reality may, at first sight, be deceptive. It is very unlikely, for example, to be a UKIP landslide; that party’s growth and influence will be more protracted and subtle than to produce such an outcome in 2015 (2020 may be a different story)"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/22/there-a...

So the 'real' election will in fact look very similar to the results predicted by the press in the 'fantasy election' except that's all an illusion really and although there won't be a UKIP landslide in the 'real' election, secretly there will, and just you wait until 2020?? Profound!

[Scuffers]

Disastrous said:

So the 'real' election will in fact look very similar to the results predicted by the press in the 'fantasy election' except that's all an illusion really and although there won't be a UKIP landslide in the 'real' election, secretly there will, and just you wait until 2020?? Profound!

not sure how you come to that conclusion?

this is what happened last year, polls vs election result:

[Einion Yrth]

Guam said:

Scuffers said:

not sure how you come to that conclusion?

this is what happened last year, polls vs election result:

Which is why that is the weighting which should have been used imho rather than the 2010 one, the polls may have had less spread if they had?

Except, of course, it is said, probably correctly, that people vote differently in General Elections as opposed to European Elections.
Doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to see the smug gits in the legacy parties get a bloody nose mind.

[tangerine_sedge]

Disastrous said:

jogon said:

Posted a week ago by Gerald Warner over on Breitbart but it really is becoming ever so apparent..

"There are currently two general elections taking place. The first and more advertised is the fantasy election being conducted within the imagination of the political class, the BBC, the dead-tree press and the vast array of public bodies, quangos and similar running dogs of the consensual establishment. Their views are uniform: Europhile, PC, metropolitan, elitist and wholly divorced from real-life Britain. This virtual election is the one being reported in the mainstream media.

The second election is the one whose result will be reported in the early hours of 8 May – the first occasion on which all the elements cited above will finally come face to face with concrete reality. That reality may, at first sight, be deceptive. It is very unlikely, for example, to be a UKIP landslide; that party’s growth and influence will be more protracted and subtle than to produce such an outcome in 2015 (2020 may be a different story)"

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/22/there-a...

So the 'real' election will in fact look very similar to the results predicted by the press in the 'fantasy election' except that's all an illusion really and although there won't be a UKIP landslide in the 'real' election, secretly there will, and just you wait until 2020?? Profound!

No, you're wrong. UKIP will obvioualy be able to influence the entire direction of UK politics, but in such a subtle and clever way that only Breitbart with their world-renowned political expert will be able to tell.

In fact the fewer seats that UKIP get, the MORE power and influence they have in Westminster. It's just that everybody else except Breitbart aren't able to tell as they are so last century with their TV and newspapers and analysts and fact checkers and "Metropolitan ways".

[Scuffers]

Einion Yrth said:

Except, of course, it is said, probably correctly, that people vote differently in General Elections as opposed to European Elections.
Doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to see the smug gits in the legacy parties get a bloody nose mind.

whilst that is true, its not what the graph is showing.

it shows the difference between polling and reality.

[Einion Yrth]

Scuffers said:

Einion Yrth said:

Except, of course, it is said, probably correctly, that people vote differently in General Elections as opposed to European Elections.
Doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to see the smug gits in the legacy parties get a bloody nose mind.

whilst that is true, its not what the graph is showing.

it shows the difference between polling and reality.

But it is why I disagree with Guam that it should have been the weighting applied by the pollsters to the "don't knows".

[Einion Yrth]

Guam said:

Indeed, however you can make better adjustments for that than the 2010 GE where voting intentions are concerned imho

Doubtless you are correct. Not, I think, the euros, though.

[don4l]

BGARK said:

Nigel today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTwOap7ohc4

That was a cracking speech. Nobody with an ounce of common sense could disagree with anything that he said.

Unfortunately, I don't think that the MEP's will listen.

He warned them about the Euro, and they ignored him. He also has been proven correct about Lybia.

[Esseesse]

don4l said:

BGARK said:

Nigel today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTwOap7ohc4

That was a cracking speech. Nobody with an ounce of common sense could disagree with anything that he said.

Unfortunately, I don't think that the MEP's will listen.

He warned them about the Euro, and they ignored him. He also has been proven correct about Lybia.

And Ukraine.

[Axionknight]

Guam said:

Which is why that is the weighting which should have been used imho rather than the 2010 one, the polls may have had less spread if they had?

Peoples opinions and voting intentions change a lot between the European Elections and General Elections though.

[steveT350C]

Email to Farage yesterday...

[don4l]

steveT350C said:

Email to Farage yesterday...

Bloody hell! That makes depressing reading. I had no idea that the problem was that bad.

Well done for sharing.

[steveT350C]

don4l said:

steveT350C said:

Email to Farage yesterday...

Bloody hell! That makes depressing reading. I had no idea that the problem was that bad.

Well done for sharing.

I work in many different areas of many different hospitals in and around London. The situation is getting really bad.

This morning I was demonstrating some kit in radiotherapy (treatment for cancer) at UCLH Euston Road. 1st patient on the list wanted an interpreter, not actually needed to receive very expensive life saving treatment, but she demanded. It took an hour to finally get one. This means the last person on the list does not get their radiotherapy on their due date. Radiotherapist I was working with said this is normal.

Hospital outpatient clinics are full to bursting of people who's native tongue is not English.

And before any moron claims xenophobia or whatever the latest newspeak bks is this week, it's not the fact that they are foreign, it's just the fking numbers.

[PRTVR]

MGJohn said:

PRTVR said:

UKIP candidate was threatened with beheading,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32...

Wow ... Not seen a single mention of that on any of the main TV News Channels. Someone actually brought to book for it too. Surely deserves more exposure or have the powers that be quashed the "free speaking" media on this for some reason or other. At least the lefty BBC has it on-line.

Message to UKIP... we need more immigrants. We're told this time and time again so must be correct.

Plus... on TV right now. Same old stuff from Red Ed. "Working Families" will be a billion quid worse off under five more years of Cameron and the Tories.

I don't think I can take another eight days of this stuff...

Thanks for commenting on the post, I purposefully did not comment on it to see if anybody else would, I feel that there is an awful lot of self censorship going on, it would appear that the word is not mightier than the sword ( or gun )
je suis charlie

[MGJohn]

PRTVR said:

Thanks for commenting on the post, I purposefully did not comment on it to see if anybody else would, I feel that there is an awful lot of self censorship going on, it would appear that the word is not mightier than the sword ( or gun )

je suis charlie

You're welcome. Yes, heavily sanitised I suspect in line with their excessive overkill pc-stance. Thus allowing for that selective sanitation, even a casual trawl of the pc-leftie-riddled BBC's own headline crimes including far too many sickeningly horrific ones, shows how well our crime figures have been enriched and enhanced by our "open to all" immigration lack of policy.

Just another facet of getting so many things quite simply ... wrong.

Reading the last three or so posts on this thread leaves me ever more sick at the way this Nation continues to excel at getting so many things quite simply wrong!

UKIP's Nigel has at least rattled their cushioned against reality Ivory Towers. However, one thing is certain come May 8th and thereafter..

Meet the new boss ... same as ... so, rejoice.... We're still doomed ...

[TTwiggy]

MGJohn said:

PRTVR said:

Thanks for commenting on the post, I purposefully did not comment on it to see if anybody else would, I feel that there is an awful lot of self censorship going on, it would appear that the word is not mightier than the sword ( or gun )

je suis charlie

You're welcome. Yes, heavily sanitised I suspect in line with their excessive overkill pc-stance. Thus allowing for that selective sanitation, even a casual trawl of the pc-leftie-riddled BBC's own headline crimes including far too many sickeningly horrific ones, shows how well our crime figures have been enriched and enhanced by our "open to all" immigration lack of policy.

Just another facet of getting so many things quite simply ... wrong.

Reading the last three or so posts on this thread leaves me ever more sick at the way this Nation continues to excel at getting so many things quite simply wrong!

UKIP's Nigel has at least rattled their cushioned against reality Ivory Towers. However, one thing is certain come May 8th and thereafter..

Meet the new boss ... same as ... so, rejoice.... We're still doomed ...

All I saw was an article with scant information. Public figures must get death threats on an almost weekly basis from various nutters. The only thing making this vaguely newsworthy is that the bloke has a Muslim-sounding name and the threat was of beheading. As such it's case of 2+2 equalling 'ALLAH AKBAR!!!'

Also, who's to say he's an immigrant? Having a foreign-sounding name is no indicator of not being born here. He might be 5th or 6th generation. His grandfather might have fought for the British army in WWII. My point? We don't know anything about him.

[Scuffers]

TTwiggy said:

All I saw was an article with scant information. Public figures must get death threats on an almost weekly basis from various nutters. The only thing making this vaguely newsworthy is that the bloke has a Muslim-sounding name and the threat was of beheading. As such it's case of 2+2 equalling 'ALLAH AKBAR!!!'

with respect, the story then goes on to say:

news said:

Police have arrested a man in connection to an alleged threat to behead a UKIP candidate in Newcastle.

so, the Police just go an arrest people for making death threats on a weekly basis?