UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[HonestIago]

brenflys777 said:

The Farage Q & A seemed like a good performance in sharp contrast to the three other main party leaders last night.

The BBC clearly agree as they haven't mentioned it at all on the BBC Breakfast news! Up to 7:34 now and Nicola Sturgeon has been mentioned now.... BBCs lack of coverage is shocking.

Same on the radio, not a peep about Farage despite going into some depth about the other leaders' "performances".

[Martin4x4]

Says it all really.

[jagnet]

Martin4x4 said:

Says it all really.

Oh go on, do tell us how it says it all. How do you equate Farage's policies with those of Hitler?

[Esseesse]

jagnet said:

Oh go on, do tell us how it says it all. How do you equate Farage's policies with those of Hitler?

Indeed. I won't use the common terminology as the anti-UKIPpers on here get enraged about it... but Nazism (and Fascism) were statist, as was the Soviet Union: It's putting the interests of the state over those of the individual that you should be wary of.

Farage and UKIP are firmly on the individualist side of the 3 main parties. Probably the Labour party (inc. New Labour) and the SNP are the most statist of parties in the UK.

[BGARK]

[Scuffers]

jagnet said:

Martin4x4 said:

Says it all really.

Oh go on, do tell us how it says it all. How do you equate Farage's policies with those of Hitler?

he can't, because he's another one of the brain-dead pillocks that spend all their time on Tw4ter.

If anybody want's to know who the current fascists are look no further than the EU, Hope not help and the like.

[wc98]

Art0ir said:

I got it on there in NI

i got it , very interesting tactics by jo coburn yet again . it is a pity they do not keep reiterating the exact question to miliband,clegg etc ,might make the ukip free interviews a bit more interesting. she just could not help herself take every opportunity to get a snide jibe or quip in ,and certainly did not look happy at how it was going.

[wc98]

Esseesse said:

but Nazism (and Fascism) were statist, as was the Soviet Union: It's putting the interests of the state over those of the individual that you should be wary of.

Farage and UKIP are firmly on the individualist side of the 3 main parties. Probably the Labour party (inc. New Labour) and the SNP are the most statist of parties in the UK.

a good example of statism here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...

[JustAnotherLogin]

Esseesse said:

Farage and UKIP are firmly on the individualist side of the 3 main parties.

So they portray themselves, but actually if you go through the manifesto that is hard to justify.

On the side of non-statism:
They would abolish EU legislation (but with no word on what it would be replaced with)
They would overturn the smoking ban

On the side of statism
They are proposing more state control/intervention in
Pre-School care
Housing
Gambling (fixed odds machines)
Which jobs companies can bring in immigrants to do
Intervene in Manston airport which was closed as a commercial decision

etc


I should point out that in no way do I condone the use of the stupid picture, merely pointing out that UKIP policies do not really support their claim to be libertarian and anti-statist

[don4l]

Martin4x4 said:

Says it all really.

Are you capable of saying what it means to you?


In fact, your post says an awful lot more about you than it says about Nigel Farage.

[wc98]

JustAnotherLogin said:

So they portray themselves, but actually if you go through the manifesto that is hard to justify.

On the side of non-statism:
They would abolish EU legislation (but with no word on what it would be replaced with)
They would overturn the smoking ban

On the side of statism
They are proposing more state control/intervention in
Pre-School care
Housing
Gambling (fixed odds machines)
Which jobs companies can bring in immigrants to do
Intervene in Manston airport which was closed as a commercial decision

etc


I should point out that in no way do I condone the use of the stupid picture, merely pointing out that UKIP policies do not really support their claim to be libertarian and anti-statist

i think that largely depends on how they would like to see these policies achieved ,apart from the controlled immigration policy,which is common sense rather than statist ,the others are all to be achieved by relaxing or changing current laws (created by the state) to allow the private sector to do the necessary . that is how i read the manifesto anyway .

[Esseesse]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Esseesse said:

Farage and UKIP are firmly on the individualist side of the 3 main parties.

So they portray themselves, but actually if you go through the manifesto that is hard to justify.

On the side of non-statism:
They would abolish EU legislation (but with no word on what it would be replaced with)
They would overturn the smoking ban

On the side of statism
They are proposing more state control/intervention in
Pre-School care
Housing
Gambling (fixed odds machines)
Which jobs companies can bring in immigrants to do
Intervene in Manston airport which was closed as a commercial decision

etc


I should point out that in no way do I condone the use of the stupid picture, merely pointing out that UKIP policies do not really support their claim to be libertarian and anti-statist

It is true that not all policies point to less state control. Far and away the most important though, through leaving the EU, is recognising our right to trial by a jury of our peers. Something we currently no longer have, and look set to have increasingly less of.

[JustAnotherLogin]

Esseesse said:

It is true that not all policies point to less state control. Far and away the most important though, through leaving the EU, is recognising our right to trial by a jury of our peers. Something we currently no longer have, and look set to have increasingly less of.

The abolition of trial by jury for many crimes, is nothing to do with the EU.

[johnxjsc1985]

Martin4x4 said:

Says it all really.

my father fought for 6 years in WW2 and my Grandfather 4 years in WW1 I dont think they would have taken too kindly to such a childish poster.

[Esseesse]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Esseesse said:

It is true that not all policies point to less state control. Far and away the most important though, through leaving the EU, is recognising our right to trial by a jury of our peers. Something we currently no longer have, and look set to have increasingly less of.

The abolition of trial by jury for many crimes, is nothing to do with the EU.

There are instances where they are nothing to do with the EU, this is true. However these instances are within our power to correct. There are also instances where it most certainly is to do with the EU, these instances are not within our power to correct (unless we leave the EU).

Edited by Esseesse on Friday 1st May 09:36

[Halb]

Martin4x4 said:

Says it all really.

Explain please.

[mrpurple]

Martin4x4 said:

Says it all really.

For the benefit of us uneducated, leftbehinds could you kindly explain....ta very much.

[Planet Blatark-9]

don4l said:

Are you capable of saying what it means to you?


In fact, your post says an awful lot more about you than it says about Nigel Farage.

Absolutely. I suspect he'll quietly slip off, and hope his ignorance gets forgotten.....

[MGJohn]

Martin4x4 said:

Says it all really.

Yes, very apt. Says much.

Nigel again sees the threat to the UK's continuing well being from mainland Europe's EU.

Such vision. Possibly deja-vu all over again. More power to his wossnames ..

Gets my vote.

[JustAnotherLogin]

Anyone know UKIP's rationale for ignoring convention and standing against the speaker?