UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
Zod said:
Would don4l have passed the UKIP entry test with enough points based on his skills at the time?
Or your test on restricting movement from places like Romania and other places that don't meet your GDP target. You never did come back and answer why you wanted to restrict movement from such places and by how many. Guam said:
TKF said:
The area you moved to for a better life?
Do keep up I live somewhere else now (moved again 20 years ago).You really dont pay attention on these threads do you?
Guam said:
I moved from Tyneside to the south and never looked back.
So you left your (presumably?) place of birth to move to an area for a better life. In doing so you put extra strain on the local infrastructure.But of course it was fine back then for you and Don to move freely, but not now and certainly Not In Your Back Yards.
TKF said:
Guam said:
TKF said:
The area you moved to for a better life?
Do keep up I live somewhere else now (moved again 20 years ago).You really dont pay attention on these threads do you?
Guam said:
I moved from Tyneside to the south and never looked back.
So you left your (presumably?) place of birth to move to an area for a better life. In doing so you put extra strain on the local infrastructure.But of course it was fine back then for you and Don to move freely, but not now and certainly Not In Your Back Yards.
thole and that's being quite kind to it.Guam said:
TKF said:
So you left your (presumably?) place of birth to move to an area for a better life. In doing so you put extra strain on the local infrastructure.
But of course it was fine back then for you and Don to move freely, but not now and certainly Not In Your Back Yards.
Nice try however I moved within the UKBut of course it was fine back then for you and Don to move freely, but not now and certainly Not In Your Back Yards.
Oddly enough national infrastructure is balanced like that with folk moving in many directions internally.
Trying to use relocation WITHIN a country to justify mass migration INTO a country is a major strawman sorry!
Unless of course Tyneside and Berkshire and now Lincs are different countries now?
Last time I looked they were COUNTIES not nation states.
FredClogs said:
Zod said:
What on Earth is wrong with being "working class" and Conservative?
It's tragic, sad, shows a distinct misunderstanding of what it means to be a human and the purpose and value of "wealth".What would be the point?
You're utterly barking.
Justayellowbadge said:
FredClogs said:
Zod said:
What on Earth is wrong with being "working class" and Conservative?
It's tragic, sad, shows a distinct misunderstanding of what it means to be a human and the purpose and value of "wealth".What would be the point?
You're utterly barking.
smn159 said:
TKF said:
You put a drain on the LOCAL infrastructure, just like them immigrants in your back yard.
Of course he doesn't, it's just the foreigners that do that (except Don, apparently)Mind you Farage "feels awkward" when he hears different accents on the train. One wonders what the residents of the Royal County of Berkshire have thought decades ago when Guam came down here, taking our jobs and talking with his regional accent?
Guam said:
smn159 said:
Of course he doesn't, it's just the foreigners that do that (except Don, apparently)
Oh we have the full set today, so are you also seriously suggesting that the natural ebb and flow of inter county movements of the population (excluding major industrial shifts in a location) causes stress on the local infrastructure comparable to hundreds of thousands of migrants in a short space of time to a limited geographical location?This is the best you guys have, dear lord no wonder we are seing the "Elites" performing so badly when interviewed on TV
Guam said:
smn159 said:
Which limited geographical locations have had hundreds of thousands of migrants in a short space of time?
A great area of the Estern Seaboard, come out to Peterborough A lot of Lincs etc.No one is saying from what I can see that there should be no immigration just that it should be managed.
Interesting to note that most of those coming in have high levels of qualifications and that overall they are net contributors to the local economy.
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/community/...
Guam said:
Greg66 said:
I've little doubt don4l can speak for himself. He usually does.
Isn't the point this: you speak of "qualifying the immigrants in terms of skill sets". We have no idea whether don4l, or other first generation immigrants to this country who now run successful businesses (I think I am right when I say that, broadly, don4l has described himself in those terms), would have had any chance of getting into this country if a skill sets test had been applied to them. Being prepared to work hard, take risks, and having an eye for opportunity are skills that is it not easy to measure if they haven't yet been demonstrated, and if they have, chances are that the person in question will be quite happy where they are.
Let me try again (sober) what part of the word ignore do you fail to understand?Isn't the point this: you speak of "qualifying the immigrants in terms of skill sets". We have no idea whether don4l, or other first generation immigrants to this country who now run successful businesses (I think I am right when I say that, broadly, don4l has described himself in those terms), would have had any chance of getting into this country if a skill sets test had been applied to them. Being prepared to work hard, take risks, and having an eye for opportunity are skills that is it not easy to measure if they haven't yet been demonstrated, and if they have, chances are that the person in question will be quite happy where they are.
Zod said:
What on Earth is wrong with being "working class" and Conservative?
what would you know about it?with all due, your about as working class as CMD or Millipede.
FredClogs said:
It's tragic, sad, shows a distinct misunderstanding of what it means to be a human and the purpose and value of "wealth".
And here we have another one, zero understanding of the subject.do you live in the same country as the rest of us? really?
Look, I am not anti-Tory per say, I have a lot of time for traditional Tory values, as I also do for very old traditional Labour values actually, they really are not that far apart), however, both parties modern day versions are a joke, lead by self-serving muppets who have never had a real job and are so clueless it's not even funny.
People lament the lack of real jobs, shipbuilding, steel works, etc etc, well this is what happens when you combine petty employment laws (that cause the whole zero hour contracts in the first place), combined with overzealous H&S and sky high energy prices.
Just listening to the radio about how the EA spent £135K on moving 55 water voles so they could dredge the river parrot, yes, that's right, almost £2,500 per water vole.
and you wonder why we can get nothing done in this country any more?
So Zod, what have you to say about that? how have YOU in your job/live helped this slide into utter stupidity?
Guam said:
Greg66 said:
Once again: the word "agree". Now you've sobered up, perhaps you'll get it now.
Don't forget to post a response to the substantive point though. Assuming you have one, and that this little display of theatrics wasn't simple avoidance tactics.
Scuffers said:
People lament the lack of real jobs, shipbuilding, steel works, etc etc, well this is what happens when you combine petty employment laws (that cause the whole zero hour contracts in the first place), combined with overzealous H&S and sky high energy prices.
It's more what you get when you dogmatically implement neoliberalism (mass privatisation / deregulation / wholesale cuts in government spending) and develop a service economy over reliant on consumer growth. smn159 said:
OK, a quick google suggests 17k immigrants from abroad to Peterborough in 5 years, with an influx of 27k in total between 2001 and 2011. Presumably a substantial number from within the UK. This is substantial, but not 100's of thousands as was suggested.
Interesting to note that most of those coming in have high levels of qualifications and that overall they are net contributors to the local economy.
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/community/...
Obviously you don't live in Peterborough or the nearby area. At what price is the cost of this "net" contribution?Interesting to note that most of those coming in have high levels of qualifications and that overall they are net contributors to the local economy.
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/community/...
Guam said:
Greg66 said:
Yes. Very good. Well done. Everyone's very impressed at your debating skills.
Don't forget to post a response to the substantive point though. Assuming you have one, and that this little display of theatrics wasn't simple avoidance tactics.
Don't forget to post a response to the substantive point though. Assuming you have one, and that this little display of theatrics wasn't simple avoidance tactics.
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