UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
anonymous said:
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Bizarre question (I'm assuming it's a question despite the lack of question mark). Would you expect me to agree that it was a shame that I 'pitched up'? Why??That aside, yes, you're quite right. MGJohn really cut through the bulls
t with some incisive commentary there.. 
At the current rate of net migration, the government will have added 1,590,000 to the population, purely from immigration, by GE2020.
To put that number into context of services and infrastructure required for this sort of number of people, let's look at healthcare...
Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust is one of the largest NHS Trusts in the UK, with a turnover of £1.1 billion, contracts with 130 clinical commissioning bodies, and over 1.6 million patient contacts each year – almost a million in hospital services and 670,000 in the community.
The Trust employs 13,200 people across numerous sites.
To put that number into context of services and infrastructure required for this sort of number of people, let's look at healthcare...
Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS Foundation Trust is one of the largest NHS Trusts in the UK, with a turnover of £1.1 billion, contracts with 130 clinical commissioning bodies, and over 1.6 million patient contacts each year – almost a million in hospital services and 670,000 in the community.
The Trust employs 13,200 people across numerous sites.
steveT350C said:
At the current rate of net migration, the government will have added 1,590,000 to the population, purely from immigration, by GE2020.
try those numbers on the housing situation...this is what Farage was getting at during the so called debate.
We simply can't deal with this level of immigration, that's before you consider the non-counted coming in and the very high birth rates of the immigrants.
TKF said:
Do any of them pay tax and contribute to society? Or is all purely extra costs they bring?
does not matter. To build and staff another Guys and St Thomas trust, with its two main hospitals, Guys is huge BTW, plus about 20 satallite heath centres spread all around SE London is a monster of a task. And that is just health.
Tax credits paid to immigrants is running at £5billion a year. Even if the overall benefit to the economy is positive, it's not enough and it's too late to repair the inexorable damage already done.
Meanwhile back in the real world... despite possible inaccuracies in the true numbers of net immigration, it is clear that once again the immigration figures suggest that UKIP were correct. Cameron and Theresa May will doubtless make excuses but they are either lying about their intention to reduce immigration or their ability to affect it.
UKIP have made the point repeatedly that they are not anti immigration but they think the current numbers are excessive and damaging. It's a shame the figures weren't released a few weeks ago.
UKIP have made the point repeatedly that they are not anti immigration but they think the current numbers are excessive and damaging. It's a shame the figures weren't released a few weeks ago.
brenflys777 said:
Meanwhile back in the real world... despite possible inaccuracies in the true numbers of net immigration, it is clear that once again the immigration figures suggest that UKIP were correct.
It's beyond a joke, pretty much every prediction UKIP/Farage have made over the last 10 years have proven to be accurate.At what point so the anti-UKIP brigade accept this?
What if the economy went into recession and lots of economic migrants left would you be happy then? This is what happened in Ireland.
http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pm...
http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pm...
Strawman said:
What if the economy went into recession and lots of economic migrants left would you be happy then? This is what happened in Ireland.
http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pm...
Why would anyone be happy if the economy went into recession?http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pm...
Strawman said:
What if the economy went into recession and lots of economic migrants left would you be happy then? This is what happened in Ireland.
http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pm...
yes, but if we went into recession, would they leave? we have nice benefits!http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pm...
Scuffers said:
yes, but if we went into recession, would they leave? we have nice benefits!
benefits AFAIK are higher in Ireland, better child benefit etc. The cost of living is also higher so the net is similar. The thing is most economic migrants (by defiition really) want to work and earn money so they leave when they can't do that, or can earn more somewhere else. TKF said:
s2art said:
GDP per capita has declined.
By "declined" do you mean" increased every year bar 1 in the previous 5"? Or are you looking at different figures? Link?http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp...
Edited by s2art on Thursday 21st May 17:03
s2art said:
TKF said:
s2art said:
GDP per capita has declined.
By "declined" do you mean" increased every year bar 1 in the previous 5"? Or are you looking at different figures? Link?http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp...
Edited by s2art on Thursday 21st May 17:03
GDP per capita is increasing. Unless you have figures proving otherwise then perhaps you'll want to go back and edit the post where you said 'coupe was wrong?
TKF said:
You might have heard about that global recession thing that happened? Pretty big news by all accounts.
GDP per capita is increasing. Unless you have figures proving otherwise then perhaps you'll want to go back and edit the post where you said 'coupe was wrong?
I think GDP per capita is a really bad metric.GDP per capita is increasing. Unless you have figures proving otherwise then perhaps you'll want to go back and edit the post where you said 'coupe was wrong?
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