UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[s2art]

TKF said:

s2art said:

TKF said:

s2art said:

GDP per capita has declined.

By "declined" do you mean" increased every year bar 1 in the previous 5"? Or are you looking at different figures? Link?

Well from this link $40,230 in 2008, $37955 in 2014. But they use official population figures and there is good evidence said figures are being increasingly underestimated.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp...

Edited by s2art on Thursday 21st May 17:03

You might have heard about that global recession thing that happened? Pretty big news by all accounts.

GDP per capita is increasing. Unless you have figures proving otherwise then perhaps you'll want to go back and edit the post where you said 'coupe was wrong?

I have figures of estimated population that are significantly higher than the numbers used in the latest GDP per capita figures. And, like it or not, it is being claimed that we are just about recovered back to the strength of the pre crash economy, but the GDP per capita is lower than then.
And I never delete posts.

Edited to add; This was a year ago and the UK economy has grown approx 2.5% since then.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10818...

Edited by s2art on Thursday 21st May 17:28

[s2art]

Scuffers said:

TKF said:

You might have heard about that global recession thing that happened? Pretty big news by all accounts.

GDP per capita is increasing. Unless you have figures proving otherwise then perhaps you'll want to go back and edit the post where you said 'coupe was wrong?

I think GDP per capita is a really bad metric.

Agreed, but it does indicate something about national wealth. Its almost as bad as using GDP gains to imply immigrants bring in more than they cost.

[rohrl]

Has this been posted yet?

http://www.channel4.com/news/meet-the-national-soc...

Jack Sen, UKIP's general election candidate for Lancashire West, has come out as a Nazi. He says he's an admirer of Oswald Mosley and that UKIP, from which he resigned yesterday, has been taken over by "Jewish special interest groups".

Sen said "I know the way I think and it might be anti-Semitic, I'm not sure."

Sounds like a nice guy...

[Strawman]

Channel 4 said:

He admits to being concerned about the "negative connotations" of the term "national socialist"

[TKF]

Scuffers said:

TKF said:

You might have heard about that global recession thing that happened? Pretty big news by all accounts.

GDP per capita is increasing. Unless you have figures proving otherwise then perhaps you'll want to go back and edit the post where you said 'coupe was wrong?

I think GDP per capita is a really bad metric.

Because it doesn't show what you'd hope it does? Which is your preferred metric to prove immigrants = bad?

[s2art]

TKF said:

Scuffers said:

TKF said:

You might have heard about that global recession thing that happened? Pretty big news by all accounts.

GDP per capita is increasing. Unless you have figures proving otherwise then perhaps you'll want to go back and edit the post where you said 'coupe was wrong?

I think GDP per capita is a really bad metric.

Because it doesn't show what you'd hope it does? Which is your preferred metric to prove immigrants = bad?

Immigration isnt bad. However the figures show that GDP per capita has declined from the last high point in 2008 pre crash compared to 2014 when it was acknowledged that the economy had finally caught up to the previous peak. Just to make it very clear; When comparing economic years where the economies are considered to be of equal strength GDP per capita has declined. Is that clear enough for you?

[NicD]

anonymous said:

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Is this person serious? This has to be a wind up.

Unless you are talking NET individual contribution including ALL costs, you can forget any meaningful analysis.

[s2art]

anonymous said:

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Indeed. The last analysis I have seen on that is, on average, you need to earning north of £40K before you produce more than you cost.

[Strawman]

s2art said:

Indeed. The last analysis I have seen on that is, on average, you need to earning north of £40K before you produce more than you cost.

Go on then, how does someone earning say half that, 20k a year, cost money? They pay £1,880 tax and £1,432 NI and presuming they live somewhere say £1k council tax and VAT on the food etc. they buy, yet that is an actual loss the exchequer?

[NicD]

Strawman said:

Go on then, how does someone earning say half that, 20k a year, cost money? They pay £1,880 tax and £1,432 NI and presuming they live somewhere say £1k council tax and VAT on the food etc. they buy, yet that is an actual loss the exchequer?

Since you have trouble putting your facts together, let me help you with only ONE of the many possibilities: In the Govs own example, some one on 20k/year with 3 children could get back 19k in child care alone.

but this is nothing compared to the cost of building new schools, hospitals, roads and indeed whole cities.

You have 3 children
The amounts shown are the total you could get for the whole of this tax year (6 April 2015 to 5 April 2016). The annual income is before tax and National Insurance are taken off. It’s your joint income if you’re in a couple.

Annual income (£) £150 a week child care costs Maximum child care (£300)

20,000 13,570 19,030
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tax-cre...

[Strawman]

NicD said:

Since you have trouble putting your facts together,

Not really but I'll indulge you, someone already came out with the massively racist comment "They breed like rabbits" earlier. What proportion of economic migrants have three children of school age? A straw poll of those I know suggest absolutely fk all.

[NicD]

Strawman said:

Not really but I'll indulge you, someone already came out with the massively racist comment "They breed like rabbits" earlier. What proportion of economic migrants have three children of school age? A straw poll of those I know suggest absolutely fk all.

I can see why you picked your tag. Straw man indeed.

Indulge yourself with a bit of detailed fact finding before coming on here.

Your 'straw poll' or attribution of 'massively' anything is worth sweet FA on its own.

Present facts with links so they can be cross checked.

[steveT350C]

Strawman said:

NicD said:

Since you have trouble putting your facts together,

Not really but I'll indulge you, someone already came out with the massively racist comment "They breed like rabbits" earlier. What proportion of economic migrants have three children of school age? A straw poll of those I know suggest absolutely fk all.

What's racist about rabbits????

You really are very very stupid

[Strawman]

You can't seriously convince the general voting public that UKIP is the answer if routinely you take extreme examples and present that as an average case. It's true I'm not the most likely person to vote UKIP but if you want this to just be a quiet corner of the internet where kippers pat each other on the back then I'm obvs a thorn in your sides. If you want to develop robust arguments that convince the general public then you should welcome my input.

[Strawman]

steveT350C said:

What's racist about rabbits????

You really are very very stupid

The statement "they breed like rabbits" is one never far from the lips of your common or garden racist.

[steveT350C]

Strawman said:

steveT350C said:

What's racist about rabbits????

You really are very very stupid

The statement "they breed like rabbits" is one never far from the lips of your common or garden racist.

Explain why it is racist

[Strawman]

NicD said:

I can see why you picked your tag. Straw man indeed.

Indulge yourself with a bit of detailed fact finding before coming on here.

Your 'straw poll' or attribution of 'massively' anything is worth sweet FA on its own.

Present facts with links so they can be cross checked.

Likewise the poster who used the example of three children, does he have any statistics to back that up, how can you claim that I have to produce evidence that this is an unusual case but the OP is allowed to get away scot free with his spurious claim that this typical ?

[NicD]

Strawman said:

You can't seriously convince the general voting public that UKIP is the answer if routinely you take extreme examples and present that as an average case. It's true I'm not the most likely person to vote UKIP but if you want this to just be a quiet corner of the internet where kippers pat each other on the back then I'm obvs a thorn in your sides. If you want to develop robust arguments that convince the general public then you should welcome my input.

What on earth makes you think you are representative of the 'general voting public'

What is extreme?

You haven't given any input, just some half baked knee jerk kick back.

Now JALI, he gave input, but it must have worn him out.

[Strawman]

steveT350C said:

Explain why it is racist

Because it is saying that humans (people) are equivalent to animals, like calling blacks monkeys. FFS only a true imbecile couldn't see that.

[Strawman]

NicD said:

What on earth makes you think you are representative of the 'general voting public'
.

What makes you think I'm not?