UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[anonymous-user]

steveT350C said:

Brexit? i.e. Britain's exit from the 'EU'. note, nothing to do with Europe, just the 'EU'

So......... Sir James Dyson, Lord Bamford (the JCB chairman), and now the CEO of Legal & General, Dr Nigel Wilson. http://t.co/q7So1NCgx9 …

And those saying it's a threat to their business in the UK:
Airbus
Tesco
Virgin/Richard Branson
Vodafone
Deutsche Bank
Ford
BMW
Nissan (Carlos Ghosn)
The Ocado chairman
The Dixons/Carphone warehose chairman
Goldman sachs
Standard Life
And I'm sure there are others to add to the list.

It's also worth noting that many times the UKIP supporters say that the big businesses are playing silly buggers and SME's would benefit from leaving, but according to the quoted survey by Zurich 1/3 of small businesses would want to leave but 1/2 think it would be bad for the economy.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidprosser/2015/03/2...

And universities are also worried about the possibility of an exit as Universities UK has argued in the past that universities benefit from £1.2bn a year in research income from the EU.

[Scuffers]

cookie118 said:

And universities are also worried about the possibility of an exit as Universities UK has argued in the past that universities benefit from £1.2bn a year in research income from the EU.

and where do you think this £1.2Bn comes from?

may I remind you that we contribute more than £20Bn pa to the EU

yes, we get some of it back, for CAp and this £1.2Bn to universities, but that still leaves us some £8-10Bn down.

the question you should be asking is what this £1.2Bn is for? as in is it actually anything constructive or yet more money on climate science and such crap?

[Scuffers]

anonymous said:

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are you really that simplistic and stupid?

quite apart from most university grads these days being woefully ill-educated (doing degree's in some useless tosh), how about you show is where this £1.2Bn has been spent then?

you think all these climate fraudsters work for nothing?

Show us the output from this £1.2Bn, what new process/tech/drugs/etc has been brought to the world?

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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I suppose one man's 'climate science crap' is another man's knowing when and where the next floods might occur, whether to invest in snow clearing equipment for runways or whether there needs to be extra care set aside for the elderly in case of a likely heatwave.

Also a figure of £XX million/day is touted as what we could save by being in the EU because it's what we send to them, but surely it's a lot less because all we get back from the EU will (hypothetically) have to made up with by UK taxes? If it is £8-10Bn-is there a source for that?

[Strawman]

Scuffers said:

are you really that simplistic and stupid?

quite apart from most university grads these days being woefully ill-educated (doing degree's in some useless tosh), how about you show is where this £1.2Bn has been spent then?

What proportion is most?
Do you think Universities should go back to teaching the classics, Latin and Greek for everyone?
Most research, as anyone with even a vague understanding of the subject will know, leads to no real commercial exploitable product. But without speculative research the 1% that does lead to a new product would never happen, like the MRI machines developed by Aberdeen University.

[Scuffers]

cookie118 said:

I suppose one man's 'climate science crap' is another man's knowing when and where the next floods might occur, whether to invest in snow clearing equipment for runways or whether there needs to be extra care set aside for the elderly in case of a likely heatwave.

Also a figure of £XX million/day is touted as what we could save by being in the EU because it's what we send to them, but surely it's a lot less because all we get back from the EU will (hypothetically) have to made up with by UK taxes? If it is £8-10Bn-is there a source for that?

so you believe in vodo science then?

Look, the met office have been spending millions over the last 40 years on the latest and greatest super-computers (just putting a new one in now) yet can't accurately tell us the weather tomorrow, yet you believe they can predict the weather in 10+ years time?

their track record sucks, the floods we got 2 years ago were nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with the Environment Agency's green bullst (wetlands anyone?)

as for the EU contributions, they have been covered many times before, it's pretty well documented on the ONS site.

[Strawman]

I like how you are an expert in everything Scuffers, instead of people studying things for years they should just ask your opinion and the world's problems would be solved.

[Scuffers]

Strawman said:

What proportion is most?
Do you think Universities should go back to teaching the classics, Latin and Greek for everyone?
Most research, as anyone with even a vague understanding of the subject will know, leads to no real commercial exploitable product. But without speculative research the 1% that does lead to a new product would never happen, like the MRI machines developed by Aberdeen University.

point and missed..

go back 15 years, most of our current universities were polytechs, remember what they did?

Yes, we still have some world class universities, developing some cutting edge stuff, but they are very much in the minority these days, and climate science is not cutting edge stuff.

As for your MRI scanner, that was back in the 1970's, how is that relevant today?

[Strawman]

Scuffers said:

point and missed..
As for your MRI scanner, that was back in the 1970's, how is that relevant today?

First tested in 1980, it was just the first example that came to mind and anything developed in the last few years won't be making any money for yers to come, AFAIK drugs take at least ten years to be approved for use. I can see some merit to the too few trades skills being taught and too many people wasted three years of their lives doing something frivilous, but that is with the benefit of hindsight and currently the two main parties were trying to address that with their latest manifestos.

[Disastrous]

Scuffers, are you Johnny the shoe-shine boy from Police Squad??

A couple of things you might be able to help with:


1). I need to grow my business but I'm torn between taking on a full time sales person whilst I handle the actual work, or, someone to do the work whilst I grow the business. It's the classic 'entrepreneurial dilemma' but I'd appreciate your insight.

2). Need a new sail for the boat - any recommendations?

3). Scottish rugby - new coach, new team but why not the results? Just time or something more drastic needed?

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

so you believe in vodo science then?

Look, the met office have been spending millions over the last 40 years on the latest and greatest super-computers (just putting a new one in now) yet can't accurately tell us the weather tomorrow, yet you believe they can predict the weather in 10+ years time?

their track record sucks, the floods we got 2 years ago were nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with the Environment Agency's green bullst (wetlands anyone?)

as for the EU contributions, they have been covered many times before, it's pretty well documented on the ONS site.

I'm not sure I believe in vodo (or voodoo) science, but climate science is pretty much fluid and thermal dynamics applied on a massive scale.
If it's all voodoo science with no benefit then why do some of the sharpest minds in the world spend millions on forging forward with it?

[TKF]

Disastrous said:

Scuffers, are you Johnny the shoe-shine boy from Police Squad??

A couple of things you might be able to help with:


1). I need to grow my business but I'm torn between taking on a full time sales person whilst I handle the actual work, or, someone to do the work whilst I grow the business. It's the classic 'entrepreneurial dilemma' but I'd appreciate your insight.

2). Need a new sail for the boat - any recommendations?

3). Scottish rugby - new coach, new team but why not the results? Just time or something more drastic needed?

Don't take the mick. We'll honoured, nay, blessed to have such an expert on every single topic known to mankind.

[Funkycoldribena]

TKF said:

Don't take the mick. We'll honoured, nay, blessed to have such an expert on every single topic known to mankind.

If ever there was a case of pot and kettle....

[mrpurple]

Funkycoldribena said:

TKF said:

Don't take the mick. We'll honoured, nay, blessed to have such an expert on every single topic known to mankind.

If ever there was a case of pot and kettle....

Have another

[TKF]

Funkycoldribena said:

TKF said:

Don't take the mick. We'll honoured, nay, blessed to have such an expert on every single topic known to mankind.

If ever there was a case of pot and kettle....

The difference is I don't claim to be an expert. On the last couple of pages Scuffers has spoken with authority about oil pricing, climate change and an imported immigrants conspiracy to shore up the Labour vote. All of which are demonstrably bks.

When I'm not confident about a subject I don't get involved. Scuffers doesn't have that filter and feels the need to tell everyone the way it is, based on little or no knowledge. It's quite amusing to watch and you'll notice I'm not the only one to point this out.

[Zod]

steveT350C said:

No need to suspect, actually what labour did.

Bordering on treason, but then Tony Blair sorted that little law out as well.

All links are way back in this thread. Bloody annoyed, should have backed up, but easy enough to find via giggle

Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 27th May 22:21

Nonsense. It was clearly politically motivated behaviour by the Labour government, but it is not remotely close to treason. Furthermore, the only change Blair's government made to the treason legislation was to abolish the death penalty that we would never have applied anyway.

[MGJohn]

anonymous said:

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[BJG1]

Strawman said:

When Farrage el al are referring to introducing a Australians type visa system for the UK they are referring to the current system not whatever was in place in the 1970's (seems to have been "are you white and breathing then yes that is a pass") why pretend otherwise? Imagine for a moment Don 1941 that you were 30 would you pass the current system that UKIP would like in force? TKF has pasted a handy link and everything.

It's the same system - it is one that is flexible depending on the demand for Labour, so it lets in different numbers of people at different points in history, appropriate to the needs of the country.

[Mojocvh]

Zod said:

steveT350C said:

No need to suspect, actually what labour did.

Bordering on treason, but then Tony Blair sorted that little law out as well.

All links are way back in this thread. Bloody annoyed, should have backed up, but easy enough to find via giggle

Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 27th May 22:21

Nonsense. It was clearly politically motivated behaviour by the Labour government, but it is not remotely close to treason. Furthermore, the only change Blair's government made to the treason legislation was to abolish the death penalty that we would never have applied anyway.

I'm afraid that after your "confession" of last week, everything you post will be viewed with a large pinch of [establishment] salt.

Once agin you are scouring the postings on PH to add the establishment views, you even defend Bliar, what more needs to be said about your motivations?

[BJG1]

steveT350C said:

The last wave of immigrants encouraged by the Labour Party was not for the benefit of the country / ordinary working folk but orchestrated by Labour to 'rub the noses of the Tories' and massively increase the number of likely Labour voters.

How has it massively increased the number of likely Labour voters? How many Poles have taken up UK Citizenship?