UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
DJRC said:
Mojocvh said:
Zod said:
Mojocvh said:
Zod said:
steveT350C said:
No need to suspect, actually what labour did.
Bordering on treason, but then Tony Blair sorted that little law out as well.
All links are way back in this thread. Bloody annoyed, should have backed up, but easy enough to find via giggle
Nonsense. It was clearly politically motivated behaviour by the Labour government, but it is not remotely close to treason. Furthermore, the only change Blair's government made to the treason legislation was to abolish the death penalty that we would never have applied anyway. Bordering on treason, but then Tony Blair sorted that little law out as well.
All links are way back in this thread. Bloody annoyed, should have backed up, but easy enough to find via giggle
Edited by steveT350C on Wednesday 27th May 22:21
Once agin you are scouring the postings on PH to add the establishment views, you even defend Bliar, what more needs to be said about your motivations?
How am I defending Blair by correcting a manifest error? There is a vast amount of material to justify criticism of Blair, so false accusations are a waste of time.
If you people showed at least a good level of understanding of that which you criticise, you might be taken more seriously.
Edited by Zod on Thursday 28th May 11:46
Your utter arrogance shines through.
kwits and muppets? Nothing with being arrogant when you are right. Zod's problem there was he talked of you understanding like some namby pamby softy liberal tart instead of just saying if you weren't such a dick. We already know Zod is an arrogant supercilious pompous arse - he is a London lawyer FFs! That doesn't stop him being right in this case or you being a dick and being wrong.
Question, do you support or have ever joined UKIP?
DJRC said:
Morons, fkwits and muppets?
Nothing with being arrogant when you are right. Zod's problem there was he talked of you understanding like some namby pamby softy liberal tart instead of just saying if you weren't such a dick. We already know Zod is an arrogant supercilious pompous arse - he is a London lawyer FFs! That doesn't stop him being right in this case or you being a dick and being wrong.
For some reason I could not help but read all that in one of those popular sincere Scottish accents that seem to be pervading TV. (I know I know).kwits and muppets? Nothing with being arrogant when you are right. Zod's problem there was he talked of you understanding like some namby pamby softy liberal tart instead of just saying if you weren't such a dick. We already know Zod is an arrogant supercilious pompous arse - he is a London lawyer FFs! That doesn't stop him being right in this case or you being a dick and being wrong.
Kippers don't have anything positive to say about life in general is the impression I get. A particularly unhappy breed of whiny xenophobes.
No doubt they'll be whining constantly about how unfair the referendum is, after hankering so long for it, should the result be we stay in the EU.
I'm increasingly thinking the best result for the UK would be if they'd emigrate the hell out of here & leave this country to those who want to be part of its future, those who don't hanker after a past that never was.
No doubt they'll be whining constantly about how unfair the referendum is, after hankering so long for it, should the result be we stay in the EU.
I'm increasingly thinking the best result for the UK would be if they'd emigrate the hell out of here & leave this country to those who want to be part of its future, those who don't hanker after a past that never was.
zygalski said:
Kippers don't have anything positive to say about life in general is the impression I get. A particularly unhappy breed of whiny xenophobes.
No doubt they'll be whining constantly about how unfair the referendum is, after hankering so long for it, should the result be we stay in the EU.
I'm increasingly thinking the best result for the UK would be if they'd emigrate the hell out of here & leave this country to those who want to be part of its future, those who don't hanker after a past that never was.
Not sure if I qualify as a Kipper, but I agree with the proposition of leaving the EU.No doubt they'll be whining constantly about how unfair the referendum is, after hankering so long for it, should the result be we stay in the EU.
I'm increasingly thinking the best result for the UK would be if they'd emigrate the hell out of here & leave this country to those who want to be part of its future, those who don't hanker after a past that never was.
We dont need to be shackled to an introspective, protectionist, declining trading bloc coupled to an undemocratic 'government', The UK needs to go global and the EU gets in the way. Sod the past, we need to go forward in all of the world.
Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
Nothing like as much as it used to be.
These days, the us hedgefunds and banks have more influence.
To my knowledge no banks and very few hedge funds trade oil these days. Far to much risk on the physical or of a squeeze on the futures rolls. These days, the us hedgefunds and banks have more influence.
I have friends in the oil trading market, their single biggest gripe is that the US hedge funds and banks basically control the market, ever since the GFC, they have piled into commodities, using quite staggering sums of money.
Using Google:
'J.P. Morgan is one of the world’s leading energy market makers. We are active in both the physical and financial markets worldwide for crude oil and oil-refined products, coal, power and gas, and have extensive capabilities in the voluntary and mandatory emissions markets.
As a leading market maker in swaps and OTC options, J.P. Morgan has a significant presence in NYMEX futures and options. Our geographically diverse physical asset portfolio includes more than 40 North American locations. In addition, we are one of the largest natural gas traders in the U.K. and European markets, with daily volumes of approximately 100 million therms.
J.P. Morgan provides clients with hedging services that result in commodity price certainty and capital relief. Our hedging products include fixed price, index-based pricing and other options structures.'
But against that:
'Oil Hedging Seen in Decline as Banks Exit Commodities
July 10, 2014
Bloomberg) -- Oil-price hedging by producers and consumers is declining as a result of stricter of regulation that’s caused banks to exit commodities markets, according to Threadneedle Asset Management Ltd.'
'J.P. Morgan is one of the world’s leading energy market makers. We are active in both the physical and financial markets worldwide for crude oil and oil-refined products, coal, power and gas, and have extensive capabilities in the voluntary and mandatory emissions markets.
As a leading market maker in swaps and OTC options, J.P. Morgan has a significant presence in NYMEX futures and options. Our geographically diverse physical asset portfolio includes more than 40 North American locations. In addition, we are one of the largest natural gas traders in the U.K. and European markets, with daily volumes of approximately 100 million therms.
J.P. Morgan provides clients with hedging services that result in commodity price certainty and capital relief. Our hedging products include fixed price, index-based pricing and other options structures.'
But against that:
'Oil Hedging Seen in Decline as Banks Exit Commodities
July 10, 2014
Bloomberg) -- Oil-price hedging by producers and consumers is declining as a result of stricter of regulation that’s caused banks to exit commodities markets, according to Threadneedle Asset Management Ltd.'
NicD said:
Using Google:
'J.P. Morgan is one of the world’s leading energy market makers. We are active in both the physical and financial markets worldwide for crude oil and oil-refined products, coal, power and gas, and have extensive capabilities in the voluntary and mandatory emissions markets.
Being a market maker does not necessarily mean they are a big trader in that market, "influencing" direction. 'J.P. Morgan is one of the world’s leading energy market makers. We are active in both the physical and financial markets worldwide for crude oil and oil-refined products, coal, power and gas, and have extensive capabilities in the voluntary and mandatory emissions markets.
I would have guessed that the likes of BP, Shell, Glencore and some of the airline companies are large traders in oil.
betting markets at the moment forecasting an 80% chance that UK votes to stay in:
Edited by limpsfield on Thursday 28th May 19:02
DJRC said:
Morons, fkwits and muppets?
Nothing with being arrogant when you are right. Zod's problem there was he talked of you understanding like some namby pamby softy liberal tart instead of just saying if you weren't such a dick. We already know Zod is an arrogant supercilious pompous arse - he is a London lawyer FFs! That doesn't stop him being right in this case or you being a dick and being wrong.
Bloody expat!kwits and muppets? Nothing with being arrogant when you are right. Zod's problem there was he talked of you understanding like some namby pamby softy liberal tart instead of just saying if you weren't such a dick. We already know Zod is an arrogant supercilious pompous arse - he is a London lawyer FFs! That doesn't stop him being right in this case or you being a dick and being wrong.
zygalski said:
Kippers don't have anything positive to say about life in general is the impression I get. A particularly unhappy breed of whiny xenophobes.
No doubt they'll be whining constantly about how unfair the referendum is, after hankering so long for it, should the result be we stay in the EU.
I'm increasingly thinking the best result for the UK would be if they'd emigrate the hell out of here & leave this country to those who want to be part of its future, those who don't hanker after a past that never was.
Why would you post this?No doubt they'll be whining constantly about how unfair the referendum is, after hankering so long for it, should the result be we stay in the EU.
I'm increasingly thinking the best result for the UK would be if they'd emigrate the hell out of here & leave this country to those who want to be part of its future, those who don't hanker after a past that never was.
Often something positive is written, you saddos come and strangle it with wordy and often nasty nonsense.
If you want a 'positive' channel, off you go and found one, this thread is clearly about the future of UKIP (at least, supposed to be)
Frankly, I cant be bothered with the low level displayed here.
zygalski said:
Kippers don't have anything positive to say about life in general is the impression I get. A particularly unhappy breed of whiny xenophobes.
No doubt they'll be whining constantly about how unfair the referendum is, after hankering so long for it, should the result be we stay in the EU.
I'm increasingly thinking the best result for the UK would be if they'd emigrate the hell out of here & leave this country to those who want to be part of its future, those who don't hanker after a past that never was.
I don't belieeeeeeve it!!!!!!!! - I realise I am confirming the stereotype for you but it just has to be done......Rather than staying in a country that has tNo doubt they'll be whining constantly about how unfair the referendum is, after hankering so long for it, should the result be we stay in the EU.
I'm increasingly thinking the best result for the UK would be if they'd emigrate the hell out of here & leave this country to those who want to be part of its future, those who don't hanker after a past that never was.
ts like you living in it I think I might just leave.....eta apologies to OpulentBob
Edited by mrpurple on Thursday 28th May 20:48
cookie118 said:
I'm not sure I believe in vodo (or voodoo) science, but climate science is pretty much fluid and thermal dynamics applied on a massive scale.
No, it isn't.Classic science predicts that a doubling of CO2 would result in a temperature increase of 1.8 degrees C. This would be beneficial to the planet.
"Climate Science" is telling us that there are unspecified positive feedbacks which would lead to a dangerous 4 to 6 degree increase.
cookie118 said:
If it's all voodoo science with no benefit then why do some of the sharpest minds in the world spend millions on forging forward with it?
You think that Michael E. Mann is one of the sharpest minds in the world? 
If these people have such sharp minds, why do you think that they refuse to debate with skeptics?
Disastrous said:
TTwiggy said:
Disastrous said:
2). Need a new sail for the boat - any recommendations?
http://www.cjmarine.co.uk/c/19/used-sail-agency
Excllent! This thread finally delivers some sense!
Go to someone reputable like North Sails.
don4l said:
Unless you are sailing a bilge keeler, do not consider a second hand sail.
Go to someone reputable like North Sails.
I don't know why you'd think this. Some racers only use a set of sails for one season - there will be plenty of life left in them. What's a bilge keeler got to do with it anyway? Go to someone reputable like North Sails.
TTwiggy said:
don4l said:
Unless you are sailing a bilge keeler, do not consider a second hand sail.
Go to someone reputable like North Sails.
I don't know why you'd think this. Some racers only use a set of sails for one season - there will be plenty of life left in them. What's a bilge keeler got to do with it anyway? Go to someone reputable like North Sails.
When I replaced my "Doyle" (French) jib with a "North Sails" jib my pointing ability increased by 5 degrees.
don4l said:
TTwiggy said:
don4l said:
Unless you are sailing a bilge keeler, do not consider a second hand sail.
Go to someone reputable like North Sails.
I don't know why you'd think this. Some racers only use a set of sails for one season - there will be plenty of life left in them. What's a bilge keeler got to do with it anyway? Go to someone reputable like North Sails.
When I replaced my "Doyle" (French) jib with a "North Sails" jib my pointing ability increased by 5 degrees.
don4l said:
People who sail bilge keelers are probably not very interested in performance. I appreciate that not everyone who sails is interested in "performance". My comment is in no way derogatory. It is a simple fact.
When I replaced my "Doyle" (French) jib with a "North Sails" jib my pointing ability increased by 5 degrees.
My boat is an ex-racer but I only cruise about, so a few degrees doesn't matter much to me. When you're hauling around a motorcaravan's amount of gear then performance rather takes a back seat anyway!When I replaced my "Doyle" (French) jib with a "North Sails" jib my pointing ability increased by 5 degrees.
TTwiggy said:
mrpurple said:
Being a macho PHer myself..I prefer Horsepower to windpower you blo.dy greenies.
I like horsepower on land, but on water there's nothing better than being heeled over at 20 degrees with nothing but the wind moving you along. It's a magical feeling
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