UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
cookie118 said:
MGJohn said:
News just in. UK Motor manufacturers: EU demand is in decline. British (? Based ) motor manufacturers are now increasingly looking inwards to the home UK market because of this and no doubt markets outside the EU too. So, the EU are not buying "our" cars as well as we are told they once did.
Old news:Edited by MGJohn on Thursday 28th May 11:06
49% of UK produced cars go to the EU market. 92% of the members of the SMMT want to remain part of the EU.
http://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/S...
So bluddy what. No surprises there.
There again, in the more distant past, many of those same Foreign owned Manufacturers based here have stated that when it suits them, they will be gone. That years before any mention of exiting EU membership considerations. The traders part of SMMT will always have stuff to sell whether in or out.
Only a matter of time. For some time now no Ford vehicles are made here despite my heighbour castigating the good folks of Dagenham for the reliability of her Fiesta. If Ford and the rest could totally upsticks and leave they would do so immediately always provided they could still vend their stuff here at UK prices and margins.
Of course there will be those who are in favour of staying within the EU for bleedin' obvious reasons.. Their reasons being primarily selfish which is understandable. They are the "winners" .... but only for now ..... and meantime, boll-de-lux to the rest who are not.
Only a matter of time.
If we as a Nation cannot survive and thrive outside the parasitical tentacles of the EU, then we may as well throw the towel in now. Either way, our fate will be deserved unless we take control of our affairs and stop Brussels et al doing so with their hands held out for ever increasing payments all the time .
Edited by MGJohn on Thursday 28th May 23:37
MGJohn said:
Only a matter of time. For some time now no Ford vehicles are made here despite my heighbour castigating the good folks of Dagenham for the reliability of her Fiesta. If Ford and the rest could totally upsticks and leave they would do so immediately always provided they could still vend their stuff here at UK prices and margins.
YupRemind us again where ford moved transit production?
Scuffers said:
MGJohn said:
Only a matter of time. For some time now no Ford vehicles are made here despite my heighbour castigating the good folks of Dagenham for the reliability of her Fiesta. If Ford and the rest could totally upsticks and leave they would do so immediately always provided they could still vend their stuff here at UK prices and margins.
YupRemind us again where ford moved transit production?
MGJohn said:
Scuffers said:
MGJohn said:
Only a matter of time. For some time now no Ford vehicles are made here despite my heighbour castigating the good folks of Dagenham for the reliability of her Fiesta. If Ford and the rest could totally upsticks and leave they would do so immediately always provided they could still vend their stuff here at UK prices and margins.
YupRemind us again where ford moved transit production?
Ref. http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/instruments/fundin...
Where's Zod/DJRC to call us all morons and imbeciles ?
All this back and forth name-calling s
te is basically the opposite of democracy. People can vote how they like without fear of (any firm of) persecution.
Kippers: You lost. Yes, you got a lot of the vote and the SNP got a similar amount yet they are far more over represented than you. The majority don't want what UKIP stand for. Get over it.
Non-kippers: you won, if you want to put it like that. You don't agree with UKIP, the country generally agrees, but that's no excuse to fill these pages with idiotic ravings and rage. Have some decency.
None of you should be allowed to vote if this is how you carry on, if you can't respect the Democratic process and democratic freedom - because that's what this arguing is: one side trying to stifle the voice of the other. Bloody children, the lot of you, trying to come across as learned and intelligent yet most of the time sounding like that crazy angry old man that we all know from just down the road.
te is basically the opposite of democracy. People can vote how they like without fear of (any firm of) persecution. Kippers: You lost. Yes, you got a lot of the vote and the SNP got a similar amount yet they are far more over represented than you. The majority don't want what UKIP stand for. Get over it.
Non-kippers: you won, if you want to put it like that. You don't agree with UKIP, the country generally agrees, but that's no excuse to fill these pages with idiotic ravings and rage. Have some decency.
None of you should be allowed to vote if this is how you carry on, if you can't respect the Democratic process and democratic freedom - because that's what this arguing is: one side trying to stifle the voice of the other. Bloody children, the lot of you, trying to come across as learned and intelligent yet most of the time sounding like that crazy angry old man that we all know from just down the road.
Interesting material is fine and I'm sure most would agree the main purpose of discussion threads. But it's all the petty point scoring and trying to imply one side or the other is thick/backwards/blinkered etc just wears a bit thin. Hearing the politicians "discuss" things is just as frustrating as supposedly intelligent people calling each other dheads and racists and old-fashioned leftys etc. A rebuttal doesn't have to include some sort of bhy, girly, snidy dig.
Anyway, that's just my 2p. I'll leave you all to carry on the bickering and come and have a little look in another 4.5 years...
heads and racists and old-fashioned leftys etc. A rebuttal doesn't have to include some sort of bhy, girly, snidy dig.Anyway, that's just my 2p. I'll leave you all to carry on the bickering and come and have a little look in another 4.5 years...
Scuffers said:
Mrr T said:
Scuffers said:
Nothing like as much as it used to be.
These days, the us hedgefunds and banks have more influence.
To my knowledge no banks and very few hedge funds trade oil these days. Far to much risk on the physical or of a squeeze on the futures rolls. These days, the us hedgefunds and banks have more influence.
I have friends in the oil trading market, their single biggest gripe is that the US hedge funds and banks basically control the market, ever since the GFC, they have piled into commodities, using quite staggering sums of money.
US banks are big brokers in the market but they cannot take principal positions because of the Volker rule.
As for the hedge funds a lot where involved in commodities but most where long and have suffered large losses.
Its been along time since I was involved in the oil market. When I was the oil companies traders hated the speculative traders and took great pleasure in squeezings them in the physical market and on futures rolls. I doubt that has changed.
NicD said:
Chastise away but this thread is about the future of UKIP. Not so relevant now till closer to another watershed, but I will post interesting material and rebut attacks.
Added to which...would any of this "renegotiating" be going on without us Kippers whingeing about the EU and the unelected bureaucrats that govern us?Mrr T said:
Where as Scuffers is the font of knowledge on all subjects.
US banks are big brokers in the market but they cannot take principal positions because of the Volker rule.
As for the hedge funds a lot where involved in commodities but most where long and have suffered large losses.
Its been along time since I was involved in the oil market. When I was the oil companies traders hated the speculative traders and took great pleasure in squeezings them in the physical market and on futures rolls. I doubt that has changed.
Not at all, I just have friends that are traders, and that's what they tell me..US banks are big brokers in the market but they cannot take principal positions because of the Volker rule.
As for the hedge funds a lot where involved in commodities but most where long and have suffered large losses.
Its been along time since I was involved in the oil market. When I was the oil companies traders hated the speculative traders and took great pleasure in squeezings them in the physical market and on futures rolls. I doubt that has changed.
OpulentBob said:
All this back and forth name-calling ste is basically the opposite of democracy. People can vote how they like without fear of (any firm of) persecution.
Kippers: You lost. Yes, you got a lot of the vote and the SNP got a similar amount yet they are far more over represented than you. The majority don't want what UKIP stand for. Get over it.
Non-kippers: you won, if you want to put it like that. You don't agree with UKIP, the country generally agrees, but that's no excuse to fill these pages with idiotic ravings and rage. Have some decency.
None of you should be allowed to vote if this is how you carry on, if you can't respect the Democratic process and democratic freedom - because that's what this arguing is: one side trying to stifle the voice of the other. Bloody children, the lot of you, trying to come across as learned and intelligent yet most of the time sounding like that crazy angry old man that we all know from just down the road.
You and numerous others fail miserably to appreciate the service Nigel Farage has done by widely alerting the Nation to the various negative "benefits" involved by our membership of the so called European Union. Even if he dropped completely away from the Political scene, Farage has more than served his purpose. te is basically the opposite of democracy. People can vote how they like without fear of (any firm of) persecution. Kippers: You lost. Yes, you got a lot of the vote and the SNP got a similar amount yet they are far more over represented than you. The majority don't want what UKIP stand for. Get over it.
Non-kippers: you won, if you want to put it like that. You don't agree with UKIP, the country generally agrees, but that's no excuse to fill these pages with idiotic ravings and rage. Have some decency.
None of you should be allowed to vote if this is how you carry on, if you can't respect the Democratic process and democratic freedom - because that's what this arguing is: one side trying to stifle the voice of the other. Bloody children, the lot of you, trying to come across as learned and intelligent yet most of the time sounding like that crazy angry old man that we all know from just down the road.
Even Tory Dave has been fully alerted so much so that right now tasked with negotiating, or at least laying the plans to renegotiate some of the more negative aspects of our membership of the Union. I wish him well in his efforts and sincerely trust he will succeed but, on all known past EU "form", I suspect he will be urinating into the wind. Thus a satisfactory result in UK's favour is unlikely.
Interesting times ahead for this Nation and the EU.
mrpurple said:
NicD said:
Chastise away but this thread is about the future of UKIP. Not so relevant now till closer to another watershed, but I will post interesting material and rebut attacks.
Added to which...would any of this "renegotiating" be going on without us Kippers whingeing about the EU and the unelected bureaucrats that govern us?NicD said:
Chastise away but this thread is about the future of UKIP. Not so relevant now till closer to another watershed, but I will post interesting material and rebut attacks.
Utter clown.On to much more interesting matters, Don4l, we have a slow cruiser with a lifting keel rather than a bilge keel so performance is about the last thing she does! Agree with the North Sails enforsement though - the 707 I race on has just been fitted out with a new wardrobe from them and is fantastically quick as a result.
Motors are great on land but rubbish on water.
Zod said:
Quite right. UKIP has served a useful purpose, but messed up the election and is in danger of losing its relevance just when it has a role to play in keeping the Tories honest on Europe.
That reads as though you have accepted what a lot of us were saying, that Cameron etc.s bona fides WRT the EU are, at best, questionable.Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Quite right. UKIP has served a useful purpose, but messed up the election and is in danger of losing its relevance just when it has a role to play in keeping the Tories honest on Europe.
That reads as though you have accepted what a lot of us were saying, that Cameron etc.s bona fides WRT the EU are, at best, questionable.Nige and those of like mind will still be around to remind those we've currently entrusted to this Nation's continuing well being to step up to the plate .... effectively whether in or out of the wonderful EU.
Failure must not be allowed to become an acceptable option for those with influential vested interests for Tory Dave and his team.
Disastrous said:
Utter clown.
On to much more interesting matters, Don4l, we have a slow cruiser with a lifting keel rather than a bilge keel so performance is about the last thing she does! Agree with the North Sails enforsement though - the 707 I race on has just been fitted out with a new wardrobe from them and is fantastically quick as a result.
Motors are great on land but rubbish on water.
I am sure you utter it ('clown') a lot but wtf do you mean by this crap you wrote on the UKIP thread?On to much more interesting matters, Don4l, we have a slow cruiser with a lifting keel rather than a bilge keel so performance is about the last thing she does! Agree with the North Sails enforsement though - the 707 I race on has just been fitted out with a new wardrobe from them and is fantastically quick as a result.
Motors are great on land but rubbish on water.
NicD said:
I am sure you utter it ('clown') a lot but wtf do you mean by this crap you wrote on the UKIP thread?
There was a mildly distracting chat about sails and sailing a few posts up, where, unusually for this thread, nobody was rude to anybody else – that's the 'crap' he's talking about. It is ok to go OT every now and again, just as it's ok to comment on Ukip even if one is not a supporter. If you don't like it, you can take it up with a mod.Einion Yrth said:
Zod said:
Quite right. UKIP has served a useful purpose, but messed up the election and is in danger of losing its relevance just when it has a role to play in keeping the Tories honest on Europe.
That reads as though you have accepted what a lot of us were saying, that Cameron etc.s bona fides WRT the EU are, at best, questionable.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff