UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[WinstonWolf]

TTwiggy said:

WinstonWolf said:

Interesting snippet on Radio 2 this morning, if the UK used the same voting system as the EU UKIP would have got eighty seats.

And that right there must be the best definition of 'irony' there's ever been

Hence posting it

[markh1973]

handpaper said:

markh1973 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Interesting snippet on Radio 2 this morning, if the UK used the same voting system as the EU UKIP would have got eighty seats.

How does this EU voting system work?

Assuming you mean the voting system used for elections to the European Parliament, it's done by proportional representation with a Party List system, by UK region. By and large, a party's share of the vote is reflected in the number of EP seats they win (above a certain threshold per region).
On UKIP's 12.9% share of the national vote they would indeed have won just over 80 seats.

I know how the EU Parliamentary voting system works - I was more intrigued by the mention of a "voting system used by the EU" as I wasn't aware that the EU as a whole had any particular voting system.

[Mrr T]

4v6 said:

As for carswell, he's entitled to spout off what he likes but it don't make him right just coz you think you sense a bit of internal conflict.
Farage made a completely valid point, the use of hiv ( screw your sensitivities) as an example was just as valid as if he'd used foreign pregnancies landing here for medical treatment , but nobbers like yourself focus on one thing only : " he's attacking hiv sufferers!" That's your battle cry wilful ignorance of the argument combined with malevolent intent to derail objective discussion and get back control to keep things the way you want them.
It's an old trick, just like shouting "racist"" as you point and gesticulate to divert attention but as with that also it can't alter the fact that Farage was accurate in what he said at the core of his point, which was as you well know, this isn't an International health service, it's for the sole use of those who pay into it.
Obviously you disagree as is your right but it'll not make you any less wrong when the final analysis is all done and dusted.

Now be a good boy and evaporate.

I can imagine you red faced bashing the keys as you typed the above.

Calm down its only a car forum.

The problem with Farage's comments was not about racism but about the fact he had no evidence to support what he said. Lots of kippers on here keep saying this is a major problem but the fact is there is no evidence its a problem. If your in a political TV debate its a good idea for the great leader to stick to facts not make thing up.

[Scuffers]

Mrr T said:

The problem with Farage's comments was not about racism but about the fact he had no evidence to support what he said. Lots of kippers on here keep saying this is a major problem but the fact is there is no evidence its a problem. If your in a political TV debate its a good idea for the great leader to stick to facts not make thing up.

that's a bold statement to make, care to back it up with some real examples?

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

The problem with Farage's comments was not about racism but about the fact he had no evidence to support what he said. Lots of kippers on here keep saying this is a major problem but the fact is there is no evidence its a problem. If your in a political TV debate its a good idea for the great leader to stick to facts not make thing up.

that's a bold statement to make, care to back it up with some real examples?

You want him to provide evidence that Farage had no evidence?

[Halb]

On the Politics Shows today they said under the AV vote UKiPs would have only got 1 MP.

[s2art]

Mrr T said:

I can imagine you red faced bashing the keys as you typed the above.

Calm down its only a car forum.

The problem with Farage's comments was not about racism but about the fact he had no evidence to support what he said. Lots of kippers on here keep saying this is a major problem but the fact is there is no evidence its a problem. If your in a political TV debate its a good idea for the great leader to stick to facts not make thing up.

There is some evidence.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/11November/Pages/HIV-i...

'HIV is also more common in black Africans. This may be explained by the ongoing HIV epidemic in Africa: more than half of heterosexual people with HIV living in the UK were born in Africa.'


Its just very difficult to get accurate figures out of the NHS. I think the BNP once tried to use an FoI order to get the numbers, they got something and it was worrying.

[Einion Yrth]

Halb said:

On the Politics Shows today they said under the AV vote UKiPs would have only got 1 MP.

As a number of us have noted, AV is not in any way proportional and under some circumstances can be even less representative than FPTP.

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

The problem with Farage's comments was not about racism but about the fact he had no evidence to support what he said. Lots of kippers on here keep saying this is a major problem but the fact is there is no evidence its a problem. If your in a political TV debate its a good idea for the great leader to stick to facts not make thing up.

that's a bold statement to make, care to back it up with some real examples?

You want him to provide evidence that Farage had no evidence?

here we go again, Mr argumentative for the sake of it playing with words again.

you know very well what I was asking for, acting otherwise just makes you look the prat you are

Einion Yrth said:

Halb said:

On the Politics Shows today they said under the AV vote UKiPs would have only got 1 MP.

As a number of us have noted, AV is not in any way proportional and under some circumstances can be even less representative than FPTP.

what flavor of AV though?

[Zod]

Some of the more vociferous kippers just can't help themselves. Such an angry bunch!

[Mrr T]

s2art said:

Mrr T said:

I can imagine you red faced bashing the keys as you typed the above.

Calm down its only a car forum.

The problem with Farage's comments was not about racism but about the fact he had no evidence to support what he said. Lots of kippers on here keep saying this is a major problem but the fact is there is no evidence its a problem. If your in a political TV debate its a good idea for the great leader to stick to facts not make thing up.

There is some evidence.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/11November/Pages/HIV-i...

'HIV is also more common in black Africans. This may be explained by the ongoing HIV epidemic in Africa: more than half of heterosexual people with HIV living in the UK were born in Africa.'


Its just very difficult to get accurate figures out of the NHS. I think the BNP once tried to use an FoI order to get the numbers, they got something and it was worrying.

The report just says HIV is higher in black African males and over half where born in Africa. It says nothing about health tourism. All the males may now be British citizens and have contracted HIV in the UK.

[Halb]

Scuffers said:

what flavor of AV though?

They used the one the UK was offered a few years back.

[Scuffers]

Halb said:

Scuffers said:

what flavor of AV though?

They used the one the UK was offered a few years back.

Ah, OK, the one that's not Proportional representation then.

Lib's really messed that one up, golden opportunity and they not only picked the wrong system, but also failed to explain it.

[Scuffers]

Zod said:

Some of the more vociferous kippers just can't help themselves. Such an angry bunch!

no, just a bunch of us are sick and tired of you spouting bull then hiding behind whatever semantics you can to avoid answering a question.

pretty typical for somebody in your profession, which is why most of the country regard you all as parasitic leeches.

[Mrr T]

Scuffers said:

Zod said:

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

The problem with Farage's comments was not about racism but about the fact he had no evidence to support what he said. Lots of kippers on here keep saying this is a major problem but the fact is there is no evidence its a problem. If your in a political TV debate its a good idea for the great leader to stick to facts not make thing up.

that's a bold statement to make, care to back it up with some real examples?

You want him to provide evidence that Farage had no evidence?

here we go again, Mr argumentative for the sake of it playing with words again.

you know very well what I was asking for, acting otherwise just makes you look the prat you are

So what am I suppose to produce?

[Scuffers]

Mrr T said:

So what am I suppose to produce?

you made a claim, back it up with examples.

is it really that hard to understand?

Way I see it, you have fallen foul of exactly what you have accused Farage of doing.

[DJRC]

I'd also like to know what Scuffers is asking for.

[Zod]

Scuffers said:

Zod said:

Some of the more vociferous kippers just can't help themselves. Such an angry bunch!

no, just a bunch of us are sick and tired of you spouting bull then hiding behind whatever semantics you can to avoid answering a question.

pretty typical for somebody in your profession, which is why most of the country regard you all as parasitic leeches.

As I said, you cannot help yourself.

[eharding]

DJRC said:

I'd also like to know what Scuffers is asking for.

Attention?

[Scuffers]

Scuffers said:

Mrr T said:

The problem with Farage's comments was not about racism but about the fact he had no evidence to support what he said. Lots of kippers on here keep saying this is a major problem but the fact is there is no evidence its a problem. If your in a political TV debate its a good idea for the great leader to stick to facts not make thing up.

that's a bold statement to make, care to back it up with some real examples?

pretty simple really, he made the above statement, and need to back it up with some evidence.

in the mean time, Zod and co witter on about f**k knows what trying to divert attention.