UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
WinstonWolf said:
Zod said:
Funkycoldribena said:
TKF said:
Scuffers internal monologue said:
Yay, dandarez is here! He make me look cleverer
Toys > pram...
TKF said:
dandarez said:
Another who believes we are all living longer. Tell the people something often enough and they'll believe.
Our life expectancy in the UK is just above Cuba.
Now go into a dark corner and think about it. Population expansion in this country is nothing to do with living longer.
Ask Charles Kennedy's family.
We are living longer. Roughly 10yrs longer than we did 50yrs ago.Our life expectancy in the UK is just above Cuba.
Now go into a dark corner and think about it. Population expansion in this country is nothing to do with living longer.
Ask Charles Kennedy's family.
PRTVR said:
Your reference to a hordes of Greeks is not the point, the problem is how many can the system cope with, can we house them without driving house prices through the roof, can we provide health care schools and social services without impacting excessively on the current population, these should be genuine concerns for all.
The how many 'the system' can cope with is dependent on how much tax revenue the government has to spend (plus a bit of borrowing although they are trying to get that in line with revenue so borrowing should be zero within this parliament). The amount the government has to spend is dependent on how strong the economy is and how much tax revenue from all sources there is. Significantly reduce the flow of immigrant labour and you adversely effect the economy, you can argue until you are blue in the face that somehow this will be better under a Farage managed system but I don't believe that at all. Look at what Germany are doing, free university education for anyone anywhere in the world that wants it, why do you think they are doing that? said:
One student in Berlin costs the country, on average, €13,300 ($14,600) a year. That number varies according to the field of study. With no tuition fees that expense is shouldered by the individual states, and ultimately the German taxpayer.
Of 170,000 students in the capital city of Berlin, more than 25,000 are from outside Germany. In simple math, that's €332.5 ($364.3) million that Berlin spends a year on foreign students. The question is why?
"It's not unattractive for us when knowledge and know-how come to us from other countries and result in jobs when these students have a business idea and stay in Berlin to create their start-up," says Steffen Krach, Berlin's Secretary of Science.
German students do not need to worry either, he says, because the city has increased capacities massively in recent years at its universities and there is enough space for everyone on campus.
AlsoOf 170,000 students in the capital city of Berlin, more than 25,000 are from outside Germany. In simple math, that's €332.5 ($364.3) million that Berlin spends a year on foreign students. The question is why?
"It's not unattractive for us when knowledge and know-how come to us from other countries and result in jobs when these students have a business idea and stay in Berlin to create their start-up," says Steffen Krach, Berlin's Secretary of Science.
German students do not need to worry either, he says, because the city has increased capacities massively in recent years at its universities and there is enough space for everyone on campus.
said:
Research shows that the system is working, says Sebastian Fohrbeck of DAAD, and that 50% of foreign students stay in Germany.
"Even if people don't pay tuition fees, if only 40% stay for five years and pay taxes we recover the cost for the tuition and for the study places so that works out well."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32821678"Even if people don't pay tuition fees, if only 40% stay for five years and pay taxes we recover the cost for the tuition and for the study places so that works out well."
It's a competitive world out there and an isolationist island mentality won't make progress in the digital age. Lots of Parisians have moved to the UK in the last few years because London is seen as a progressive place to be and work where there is less racial prejudice than there is commonly found in France it would be a shame to lose that.
FiF said:
I really don't see the send em back posturing on this thread. Maybe that Flyer chap got a bit close here and there, but you must be reading something other into the posts than I am.
Scuffers announced just this afternoon that he wants our population reduced to 55m. He denied he wants to control birth rates or euthanise the elderly, so... ?Strawman said:
PRTVR said:
Your reference to a hordes of Greeks is not the point, the problem is how many can the system cope with, can we house them without driving house prices through the roof, can we provide health care schools and social services without impacting excessively on the current population, these should be genuine concerns for all.
The how many 'the system' can cope with is dependent on how much tax revenue the government has to spend (plus a bit of borrowing although they are trying to get that in line with revenue so borrowing should be zero within this parliament). The amount the government has to spend is dependent on how strong the economy is and how much tax revenue from all sources there is. Significantly reduce the flow of immigrant labour and you adversely effect the economy, you can argue until you are blue in the face that somehow this will be better under a Farage managed system but I don't believe that at all. Look at what Germany are doing, free university education for anyone anywhere in the world that wants it, why do you think they are doing that? said:
One student in Berlin costs the country, on average, €13,300 ($14,600) a year. That number varies according to the field of study. With no tuition fees that expense is shouldered by the individual states, and ultimately the German taxpayer.
Of 170,000 students in the capital city of Berlin, more than 25,000 are from outside Germany. In simple math, that's €332.5 ($364.3) million that Berlin spends a year on foreign students. The question is why?
"It's not unattractive for us when knowledge and know-how come to us from other countries and result in jobs when these students have a business idea and stay in Berlin to create their start-up," says Steffen Krach, Berlin's Secretary of Science.
German students do not need to worry either, he says, because the city has increased capacities massively in recent years at its universities and there is enough space for everyone on campus.
AlsoOf 170,000 students in the capital city of Berlin, more than 25,000 are from outside Germany. In simple math, that's €332.5 ($364.3) million that Berlin spends a year on foreign students. The question is why?
"It's not unattractive for us when knowledge and know-how come to us from other countries and result in jobs when these students have a business idea and stay in Berlin to create their start-up," says Steffen Krach, Berlin's Secretary of Science.
German students do not need to worry either, he says, because the city has increased capacities massively in recent years at its universities and there is enough space for everyone on campus.
said:
Research shows that the system is working, says Sebastian Fohrbeck of DAAD, and that 50% of foreign students stay in Germany.
"Even if people don't pay tuition fees, if only 40% stay for five years and pay taxes we recover the cost for the tuition and for the study places so that works out well."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32821678"Even if people don't pay tuition fees, if only 40% stay for five years and pay taxes we recover the cost for the tuition and for the study places so that works out well."
It's a competitive world out there and an isolationist island mentality won't make progress in the digital age. Lots of Parisians have moved to the UK in the last few years because London is seen as a progressive place to be and work where there is less racial prejudice than there is commonly found in France it would be a shame to lose that.
Strawman said:
PRTVR said:
Your reference to a hordes of Greeks is not the point, the problem is how many can the system cope with, can we house them without driving house prices through the roof, can we provide health care schools and social services without impacting excessively on the current population, these should be genuine concerns for all.
The how many 'the system' can cope with is dependent on how much tax revenue the government has to spend (plus a bit of borrowing although they are trying to get that in line with revenue so borrowing should be zero within this parliament). The amount the government has to spend is dependent on how strong the economy is and how much tax revenue from all sources there is. Significantly reduce the flow of immigrant labour and you adversely effect the economy, you can argue until you are blue in the face that somehow this will be better under a Farage managed system but I don't believe that at all. Look at what Germany are doing, free university education for anyone anywhere in the world that wants it, why do you think they are doing that? said:
One student in Berlin costs the country, on average, €13,300 ($14,600) a year. That number varies according to the field of study. With no tuition fees that expense is shouldered by the individual states, and ultimately the German taxpayer.
Of 170,000 students in the capital city of Berlin, more than 25,000 are from outside Germany. In simple math, that's €332.5 ($364.3) million that Berlin spends a year on foreign students. The question is why?
"It's not unattractive for us when knowledge and know-how come to us from other countries and result in jobs when these students have a business idea and stay in Berlin to create their start-up," says Steffen Krach, Berlin's Secretary of Science.
German students do not need to worry either, he says, because the city has increased capacities massively in recent years at its universities and there is enough space for everyone on campus.
AlsoOf 170,000 students in the capital city of Berlin, more than 25,000 are from outside Germany. In simple math, that's €332.5 ($364.3) million that Berlin spends a year on foreign students. The question is why?
"It's not unattractive for us when knowledge and know-how come to us from other countries and result in jobs when these students have a business idea and stay in Berlin to create their start-up," says Steffen Krach, Berlin's Secretary of Science.
German students do not need to worry either, he says, because the city has increased capacities massively in recent years at its universities and there is enough space for everyone on campus.
said:
Research shows that the system is working, says Sebastian Fohrbeck of DAAD, and that 50% of foreign students stay in Germany.
"Even if people don't pay tuition fees, if only 40% stay for five years and pay taxes we recover the cost for the tuition and for the study places so that works out well."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32821678"Even if people don't pay tuition fees, if only 40% stay for five years and pay taxes we recover the cost for the tuition and for the study places so that works out well."
It's a competitive world out there and an isolationist island mentality won't make progress in the digital age. Lots of Parisians have moved to the UK in the last few years because London is seen as a progressive place to be and work where there is less racial prejudice than there is commonly found in France it would be a shame to lose that.
'The First Statistical Release from HESA (2013-14) shows that the number of students from outside the UK coming to study in the UK increased slightly by 3% to 435,500. The number of Chinese students far exceeds any other nationality at 87,895. Indian students are the next largest cohort with 19,750 although this represents a drop of 2,635 on the previous year.
University College London hosted the largest number of international (EU and non-EU) students in the UK with a total of 11,850.
Business and administrative studies are the most popular subjects (38.7% of students in this subject are international) with Engineering and technology second (32.7%) and Law third (25%).
There is no significant difference in the sex of non-UK students coming to the UK with 50.9% female and 49% male.'
from;
http://www.ukcisa.org.uk/Info-for-universities-col...
Strawman said:
PRTVR said:
Your reference to a hordes of Greeks is not the point, the problem is how many can the system cope with, can we house them without driving house prices through the roof, can we provide health care schools and social services without impacting excessively on the current population, these should be genuine concerns for all.
The how many 'the system' can cope with is dependent on how much tax revenue the government has to spend (plus a bit of borrowing although they are trying to get that in line with revenue so borrowing should be zero within this parliament). The amount the government has to spend is dependent on how strong the economy is and how much tax revenue from all sources there is. Significantly reduce the flow of immigrant labour and you adversely effect the economy, you can argue until you are blue in the face that somehow this will be better under a Farage managed system but I don't believe that at all. Look at what Germany are doing, free university education for anyone anywhere in the world that wants it, why do you think they are doing that? said:
One student in Berlin costs the country, on average, €13,300 ($14,600) a year. That number varies according to the field of study. With no tuition fees that expense is shouldered by the individual states, and ultimately the German taxpayer.
Of 170,000 students in the capital city of Berlin, more than 25,000 are from outside Germany. In simple math, that's €332.5 ($364.3) million that Berlin spends a year on foreign students. The question is why?
"It's not unattractive for us when knowledge and know-how come to us from other countries and result in jobs when these students have a business idea and stay in Berlin to create their start-up," says Steffen Krach, Berlin's Secretary of Science.
German students do not need to worry either, he says, because the city has increased capacities massively in recent years at its universities and there is enough space for everyone on campus.
AlsoOf 170,000 students in the capital city of Berlin, more than 25,000 are from outside Germany. In simple math, that's €332.5 ($364.3) million that Berlin spends a year on foreign students. The question is why?
"It's not unattractive for us when knowledge and know-how come to us from other countries and result in jobs when these students have a business idea and stay in Berlin to create their start-up," says Steffen Krach, Berlin's Secretary of Science.
German students do not need to worry either, he says, because the city has increased capacities massively in recent years at its universities and there is enough space for everyone on campus.
said:
Research shows that the system is working, says Sebastian Fohrbeck of DAAD, and that 50% of foreign students stay in Germany.
"Even if people don't pay tuition fees, if only 40% stay for five years and pay taxes we recover the cost for the tuition and for the study places so that works out well."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32821678"Even if people don't pay tuition fees, if only 40% stay for five years and pay taxes we recover the cost for the tuition and for the study places so that works out well."
It's a competitive world out there and an isolationist island mentality won't make progress in the digital age. Lots of Parisians have moved to the UK in the last few years because London is seen as a progressive place to be and work where there is less racial prejudice than there is commonly found in France it would be a shame to lose that.
The main reason for the influx of French I believe was due to the prohibitive tax system in France, not our weather or racial understanding.
The worn isolationist tag is old hat now, UKIP want to trade with the world, not just a group of failing states, one could argue that the EU is isolationist, import quotas and tariffs on trade, a little island mentality.
s2art said:
The UK has no problem attracting uni students from abroad.
'The First Statistical Release from HESA (2013-14) shows that the number of students from outside the UK coming to study in the UK increased slightly by 3% to 435,500. The number of Chinese students far exceeds any other nationality at 87,895. Indian students are the next largest cohort with 19,750 although this represents a drop of 2,635 on the previous year.
University College London hosted the largest number of international (EU and non-EU) students in the UK with a total of 11,850.
Business and administrative studies are the most popular subjects (38.7% of students in this subject are international) with Engineering and technology second (32.7%) and Law third (25%).
There is no significant difference in the sex of non-UK students coming to the UK with 50.9% female and 49% male.'
from;
http://www.ukcisa.org.uk/Info-for-universities-col...
I think I remember reading though that the student visas are too tight because they only give 3 months from laving uni to being in full time employment, otherwise you have to leave and re-appply.'The First Statistical Release from HESA (2013-14) shows that the number of students from outside the UK coming to study in the UK increased slightly by 3% to 435,500. The number of Chinese students far exceeds any other nationality at 87,895. Indian students are the next largest cohort with 19,750 although this represents a drop of 2,635 on the previous year.
University College London hosted the largest number of international (EU and non-EU) students in the UK with a total of 11,850.
Business and administrative studies are the most popular subjects (38.7% of students in this subject are international) with Engineering and technology second (32.7%) and Law third (25%).
There is no significant difference in the sex of non-UK students coming to the UK with 50.9% female and 49% male.'
from;
http://www.ukcisa.org.uk/Info-for-universities-col...
With most uni courses ending in May and a lot of grad schemes not starting till September this actually encourages foreign students to get their degree and then leave the UK-if they were allowed to stay for longer post-degree then more would stay, pay taxes etc.
This thing about life expectancy and we're 'ALL' living longer.
No we are not 'ALL' living longer! The only ones who are, were obviously born around the First World War or after.
Talking of living longer, a bit off the kipper track, all I have heard about all day is this new 'Death Test'.
What is it with all this crap? Also another thing being pushed today 'get your dna'
https://www.23andme.com/en-gb/
Mind you that's another money-milker, the suckers will be along in a second.
I was asked this afternoon if I had done the 'death test'?
The 'experts' say it's 80 per cent accurate I was told. Well, it ain't bloody accurate then is it! We are now a nation of gullible dim-wits (regardless of who you vote for).
Had years of being told I was high risk and could snuff it.
In 1968 my dad had a coronary. I was 18.
10 years later he had another, his last.
3 years later my mum died of cancer, same age as my dad, 56.
Years of the 'experts' telling me 'you're increased and high risk'. 'You'll be dead by mid 40s if you don't heed (so-called) healthy eating' they told me.
Give up the Gold Top, the butter, the red meat, etc, etc.
I (we as a family) did for a few years, late 80s, and drank that s
t called skimmed milk, ate those crap spreads that make you run (in more ways than one!) instead of butter, and like an idiot entered for the first time the McLibels, the KFCs, the Burgerkings et al, and started drinking something I hadn't since my teens, Coke (yuk!).
Something then went f..... wrong! My waistline increased for the first time in my life.
Penny dropped. Back to Gold Top, butter, red meat et al. Never looked back since. The only thing I looked at was the continuing and increasing number of obese people in this nation.
I wonder why?
AND do you really think these obese people will 'ALL' be living longer?
How long before the new phrase comes in? 'We're 'ALL' dying younger!'
Yeah, I'm still here. I can outrun plenty half my age. I'm the same weight I was when my dad had his first coronary.
Death test? FO!
I'm here and intend to get my congratulatory message from the King on my 100th.
That's a bit off the Kipper message, except I eat them too, you should too even if the thought of Kippers makes you reach!
Oh sod, I have keyed too much. Back to the grindstone and keepthemy economy rolling!
No we are not 'ALL' living longer! The only ones who are, were obviously born around the First World War or after.
Talking of living longer, a bit off the kipper track, all I have heard about all day is this new 'Death Test'.
What is it with all this crap? Also another thing being pushed today 'get your dna'
https://www.23andme.com/en-gb/
Mind you that's another money-milker, the suckers will be along in a second.
I was asked this afternoon if I had done the 'death test'?
The 'experts' say it's 80 per cent accurate I was told. Well, it ain't bloody accurate then is it! We are now a nation of gullible dim-wits (regardless of who you vote for).
Had years of being told I was high risk and could snuff it.
In 1968 my dad had a coronary. I was 18.
10 years later he had another, his last.
3 years later my mum died of cancer, same age as my dad, 56.
Years of the 'experts' telling me 'you're increased and high risk'. 'You'll be dead by mid 40s if you don't heed (so-called) healthy eating' they told me.
Give up the Gold Top, the butter, the red meat, etc, etc.
I (we as a family) did for a few years, late 80s, and drank that s
t called skimmed milk, ate those crap spreads that make you run (in more ways than one!) instead of butter, and like an idiot entered for the first time the McLibels, the KFCs, the Burgerkings et al, and started drinking something I hadn't since my teens, Coke (yuk!). Something then went f..... wrong! My waistline increased for the first time in my life.
Penny dropped. Back to Gold Top, butter, red meat et al. Never looked back since. The only thing I looked at was the continuing and increasing number of obese people in this nation.
I wonder why?
AND do you really think these obese people will 'ALL' be living longer?
How long before the new phrase comes in? 'We're 'ALL' dying younger!'
Yeah, I'm still here. I can outrun plenty half my age. I'm the same weight I was when my dad had his first coronary.
Death test? FO!
I'm here and intend to get my congratulatory message from the King on my 100th.
That's a bit off the Kipper message, except I eat them too, you should too even if the thought of Kippers makes you reach!
Oh sod, I have keyed too much. Back to the grindstone and keep
PRTVR said:
The main reason for the influx of French I believe was due to the prohibitive tax system in France, not our weather or racial understanding.
From what I've heard if you have an address in the wrong arrondissement (and are the worng colour) it is hard to get a job in Paris, the people I'm talking about are young so wouldn't be affected by the new tax regimes since they can't even get a job in the first place. Any evidence that the majority of the 1,000,000 French citizens now living in the UK are tax refugees?TKF said:
dandarez said:
Another who believes we are all living longer. Tell the people something often enough and they'll believe.
Our life expectancy in the UK is just above Cuba.
Now go into a dark corner and think about it. Population expansion in this country is nothing to do with living longer.
Ask Charles Kennedy's family.
We are living longer. Roughly 10yrs longer than we did 50yrs ago.Our life expectancy in the UK is just above Cuba.
Now go into a dark corner and think about it. Population expansion in this country is nothing to do with living longer.
Ask Charles Kennedy's family.
'THEY' tell us 'WE' are 'ALL' living longer.
'SOME' may well be living longer. Not 'ALL'.
Do you really think the growing, almost a majority now, of this nation will be 'living longer' or 'dying sooner'?
Scuffers said:
TKF said:
Scuffers announced just this afternoon that he wants our population reduced to 55m. He denied he wants to control birth rates or euthanise the elderly, so... ?
Uit announced no such thin.Once again, you fail to read.
Scuffers said:
we could do with reducing the population back to the 55-55M figure
dandarez said:
TKF said:
dandarez said:
Another who believes we are all living longer. Tell the people something often enough and they'll believe.
Our life expectancy in the UK is just above Cuba.
Now go into a dark corner and think about it. Population expansion in this country is nothing to do with living longer.
Ask Charles Kennedy's family.
We are living longer. Roughly 10yrs longer than we did 50yrs ago.Our life expectancy in the UK is just above Cuba.
Now go into a dark corner and think about it. Population expansion in this country is nothing to do with living longer.
Ask Charles Kennedy's family.
'THEY' tell us 'WE' are 'ALL' living longer.
'SOME' may well be living longer. Not 'ALL'.
Do you really think the growing, almost a majority now, of this nation will be 'living longer' or 'dying sooner'?
dandarez said:
Tell me who 'WE' are? It's not 'YOU' or even 'ME' is it?
'THEY' tell us 'WE' are 'ALL' living longer.
'SOME' may well be living longer. Not 'ALL'.
Do you really think the growing, almost a majority now, of this nation will be 'living longer' or 'dying sooner'?
I'm not sure I understand the point you're making or the connection to UKIP, but the figures currently seem to suggest an ageing population - a higher percentage of people living to an older age. 'THEY' tell us 'WE' are 'ALL' living longer.
'SOME' may well be living longer. Not 'ALL'.
Do you really think the growing, almost a majority now, of this nation will be 'living longer' or 'dying sooner'?
However, in my industry the increased retirement age and considerable increases inproductivity (more time exposed to radiation/jet lag) will be unlikely to be beneficial. I think it's quite possible that as part of our pension/elderly care problems the effect of working lives being harder and longer could mean that the offset of this is more than the medical and dietary effects which gave us higher life expectancy. The figures for this wouldn't be clear for years though, so I'm not sure what your point is?
Strawman said:
PRTVR said:
The main reason for the influx of French I believe was due to the prohibitive tax system in France, not our weather or racial understanding.
From what I've heard if you have an address in the wrong arrondissement (and are the worng colour) it is hard to get a job in Paris, the people I'm talking about are young so wouldn't be affected by the new tax regimes since they can't even get a job in the first place. Any evidence that the majority of the 1,000,000 French citizens now living in the UK are tax refugees?PRTVR said:
I cannot remember which paper I read it in, My point was that the people who can contribute the most, high earners, will have moved for tax reasons, so you are saying people who have never had a job are a benefit to the UK?
Yes, they got a job because they moved to the UK. We are talking about highly qualified educated people so they've cost France a lot of money and the UK gets the benefit of their employment.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff