UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[Strawman]

FiF said:

The reasons for the decline in the other measures has been discussed but you seem to wish to ignore those.

I think discussed is a bit of an exaggeration if you mean this part

FiF said:

The reason for UK manufacturing fall in the table of % of gdp is due to increase in manufacturing in these developing nations and diversification and expansion of other sectors in the UK.

Accepted if other sectors expand then manufacturing will be a smaller proportion. Meanwhile the UK imports more than it exports across all sectors. If the cake is getting smaller that shows the fallacy of your claim.

e.g.



divided by sector



The important line here is the trade in goods.

[FiF]

Yet the figures for manufacturing output in $ billions has risen from 178 in 1970 to 245 in 2013, though there was a decline under Labour.

Not as big a rise as has been seen in other parts of the world but then UK and the EU has fared badly.

Balance of Trade in goods doesn't necessarily equate to a measure of manufacturing.

Of course taking note of your username perhaps it does. End of discussion from my side. No more patience.

[don4l]

Strawman said:

NicD said:

Strawman said:

Laugh what slurs? I don't particularly care whether UKIP was banned from a gay pride march or not, you seemed enraged can you at least explain what reasons the organisers gave for banning UKIP?

This slur that you invented: 'So the march organisers were only returning the contempt shown them.'

I am not 'enraged' not even by sloppy work, but it doesn't go unnoticed.

and why would I research the background to your posting?

So from the link you posted UKIP was 'the only political party to oppose gay marriage in their election manifesto' and Farage was in your words 'perhaps too busy' unlike the leaders of all the other political parties to answer questions from pink news. Why do you think they were banned from the march? You seem to think that is unfair can you explain why UKIP should be represented on the march?

Unless you are some sort of facist, then you should believe that people should be free to do whatever they like unless their actions have a negative impact.

So, rather than ask UKIP members to justify their right to take part in an LBGT demonstration, perhaps you should explain why they should be prevented from taking part.

Are you homophobic?

[Strawman]

FiF said:

Balance of Trade in goods doesn't necessarily equate to a measure of manufacturing.

Well OK I'm prepared to accept that if you can provide another measure to show that somehow things are going well.

FiF said:

Of course taking note of your username perhaps it does. End of discussion from my side. No more patience.

Shame

[rs1952]

Strawman said:

FiF said:

End of discussion from my side. No more patience.

Shame

From experience on other threads of your adversary here, he isn't always true to his word and ends the discussion.

Its a ploy he uses when somebody makes good points that he can't easily counter.

IMHO on much the same lines as when one is called an idiot by Scuffers (oh the irony ) or when Steve 350TC "answers" a post with the word "fail."

All part of life's rich tapestry around here

[Strawman]

don4l said:

Unless you are some sort of facist, then you should believe that people should be free to do whatever they like unless their actions have a negative impact.

So, rather than ask UKIP members to justify their right to take part in an LBGT demonstration, perhaps you should explain why they should be prevented from taking part.

Are you homophobic?

No, you seem put out that UKIP supporters can't openly display their political allegiance on a Gay Pride march, I don't care. You won't explain why the organisers banned them, though they took part anyway (according to you) so it wasn't a strictly enforced ban. I can understand why gay rights activists would not want UKIP on their march, you don't seem able to grasp their reasons. How does that make me homophobic? Surely UKIPhobic would be more accurate a jibe?

ETA- apologies if my posts seem a bit glib, I googled and found this article
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prid...

and mu assumptions were partly wrong

said:

The directors said they had “wrestled with the difficult issue” of whether to allow the application over several days, adding that the intention was to unite, rather than divide, people with an event that serves the whole community.

“This decision has been made after careful consultation in order to protect participants and ensure the event passes off safely and in the right spirit, it has not been made on a political basis,” a spokesperson added.

Edited by Strawman on Sunday 28th June 21:10

Edited by Strawman on Sunday 28th June 21:10

[Disastrous]

Disastrous said:

don4l said:

Do you think that Connie St Louis should be praised, or punished, for her expose of Sir Tim Hunt's recent comments?

Strange question. I don't think she should be praised or punished. She sounds like an awful pain in the arse to be frank. I don't approve of what she did and haven't got much time for those who are offended by everything, but I don't think she should be punished. I think she should be ignored.

Why do you ask?

Was there a point to asking this, since I had the decency to answer, don4l?

Also, I notice Scuffers completely ignored me pointing out very clearly the question he had missed from the other poster earlier after insulting me and claiming there was no question.

Sigh. You guys.

[anonymous-user]

Revisiting this thread and addressing the actual title as if it was a question.................................

I think UKIPs future is bleak. I think that their bubble has burst and their time has passed.
I think they will self destruct and that the personality cult that IMHO exists around Mr Farage will become tired and old hat.
I say that with no sense of joy or delight.

I just hope that politicians realise that there are people in the UK who are getting really hacked off with the way that multi cultarism has been sold to them and that politicians address the issues that people are concerned about.

[Scuffers]

Me?

Ignored what?

[anonymous-user]

Guam said:

You really are no more than a troll

Dear me. Someone disagrees with you and you play the "troll" card? Properly pathetic.

[MGJohn]

Strawman said:

Where is the UK equivalent of Apple or Microsoft? I contend the manufacturing sector is being held up by overseas owned manufacturers using the UK as a European base, whether that would remain if the UK leaves is moot.

Your contention is a spot on assessment of the situation. We are a Nation hell bent on kidding ourselves. Incessantly allowing those we entrust the Nation's well being to spin away the more salient negative aspects of the way we as a Nation excel far too much at getting far too many things quite simply ...Wrong!

[Disastrous]

Scuffers said:

Me?

Ignored what?

2 pages back you said "with respect, wtf are you on about..." and when I helpfully quoted and bolded the relevant part of the post we were discussing you didn't respond. Honestly, it's fine. It's just irritating when people here complain about 'slurs' and 'attacks' and the lack of intelligent debate yet can't seem to master the basics themselves.

[anonymous-user]

Guam said:

I have told you repeatedly I have no desire to engage with your nonsense

You just don't seem able to help yourself though. You could do us all a favour and just STFU. That would work.

[eharding]

Guam said:

I have told you repeatedly I have no desire to engage with your nonsense yet you still persist
Why is that ?

Probably because despite repeatedly telling various folk that you have no desire to engage with them, you invariably, repeatedly, do.

Hence, you're profoundly fickle, but somehow that's the fault of everyone else?

[968]

Strawman said:

don4l said:

Unless you are some sort of facist, then you should believe that people should be free to do whatever they like unless their actions have a negative impact.

So, rather than ask UKIP members to justify their right to take part in an LBGT demonstration, perhaps you should explain why they should be prevented from taking part.

Are you homophobic?

No, you seem put out that UKIP supporters can't openly display their political allegiance on a Gay Pride march, I don't care. You won't explain why the organisers banned them, though they took part anyway (according to you) so it wasn't a strictly enforced ban. I can understand why gay rights activists would not want UKIP on their march, you don't seem able to grasp their reasons. How does that make me homophobic? Surely UKIPhobic would be more accurate a jibe?

ETA- apologies if my posts seem a bit glib, I googled and found this article
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prid...

and mu assumptions were partly wrong

said:

The directors said they had “wrestled with the difficult issue” of whether to allow the application over several days, adding that the intention was to unite, rather than divide, people with an event that serves the whole community.

“This decision has been made after careful consultation in order to protect participants and ensure the event passes off safely and in the right spirit, it has not been made on a political basis,” a spokesperson added.

Edited by Strawman on Sunday 28th June 21:10

Edited by Strawman on Sunday 28th June 21:10

Why the sudden concern about homophobia from certain kippers? A few pages back, there wasn't a comment about the phrases 'his royal queerness' and 'raving poofter' being chucked about, as terms to denigrate a politician. At least one kipper had the decency to say it was unacceptable.

[MGJohn]

Poor form those incessantly using terms like "Kipper" for those who do of have supported the United Kingdom INDEPENDENCE PARTY. U K I P ... !!

Kipper can be someone asleep or something prepared for a meal.

Smoking ....

[968]

MGJohn said:

Poor form those incessantly using terms like "Kipper" for those who do of have supported the United Kingdom INDEPENDENCE PARTY. U K I P ... !!

Kipper can be someone asleep or something prepared for a meal.

Smoking ....

Terribly sorry, but it's quite an apposite description for some posters on this thread.

Oh apposite means apt for those without a current dictionary and has no bearing on age, sexuality or anything else.

[968]

Guam said:

Ironic though this may seem you keep making my point perhaps you should do us both a favour and take your own advice
Doubtlful you will
I will from here on ignore further responses from you
And will view further attempts to re engage with me as more trolling
Those like you are the reason many posters have bailed on this thread and I will return to that position.

Haven't you already said this though?.....

[MGJohn]

968 said:

MGJohn said:

Poor form those incessantly using terms like "Kipper" for those who do of have supported the United Kingdom INDEPENDENCE PARTY. U K I P ... !!

Kipper can be someone asleep or something prepared for a meal.

Smoking ....

Terribly sorry, but it's quite an apposite description for some posters on this thread.

Oh apposite means apt for those without a current dictionary and has no bearing on age, sexuality or anything else.

Yes, and some posters on this thread are indeed sleepwalking having a "Kip" with regard to the increasingly costly negativity of UK membership of the parasitical so called European Union.

Praise be to NF for alerting many of those sleepwalkers.

[968]

MGJohn said:

Yes, and some posters on this thread are indeed sleepwalking having a "Kip" with regard to the increasingly costly negativity of UK membership of the parasitical so called European Union.

Praise be to NF for alerting many of those sleepwalkers.

Yes it seems to have become a cult. Though should have had an n in it.