UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[dirk01]

MGJohn said:

Yes, and some posters on this thread are indeed sleepwalking having a "Kip" with regard to the increasingly costly negativity of UK membership of the parasitical so called European Union.

Praise be to NF for alerting many of those sleepwalkers.

Really is unfortunate initials in the circumstances

[eharding]

968 said:

MGJohn said:

Poor form those incessantly using terms like "Kipper" for those who do of have supported the United Kingdom INDEPENDENCE PARTY. U K I P ... !!

Kipper can be someone asleep or something prepared for a meal.

Smoking ....

Terribly sorry, but it's quite an apposite description for some posters on this thread.

Oh apposite means apt for those without a current dictionary and has no bearing on age, sexuality or anything else.

You'll have to excuse MGJohn - he clearly isn't the sharpest of 'kippers, given that the term has long been used by many of the the 'kipper faithful themselves.

I am partial to a 'kipper breakfast myself, on occasions, not least because seeing one on a plate is a reminder that, if nothing else, they are at the same time both gutless and two-faced:



The downside, as you may have found, is that having enjoyed devouring a 'kipper or two, they tend to repeat on you.

[anonymous-user]

Guam said:

I will from here on ignore further responses from you
And will view further attempts to re engage with me as more trolling

View "further attempts" however you like. If you post stuff I disagree with, or just plain rubbish, expect to be picked up on it. If you choose to ignore being picked up on it, that's up to you. Just don't think you can issue an edict that somehow makes your posts off limits.

[brenflys777]

Greg66 said:

Guam said:

I will from here on ignore further responses from you
And will view further attempts to re engage with me as more trolling

View "further attempts" however you like. If you post stuff I disagree with, or just plain rubbish, expect to be picked up on it. If you choose to ignore being picked up on it, that's up to you. Just don't think you can issue an edict that somehow makes your posts off limits.

11:38 AM TFFT.

Greg66 said:

Think I will bow out of this discussion now. It's not going anywhere I'm interested in going.

The Nigel Farage approach to bowing out...

[anonymous-user]

Err, hold on. That is pretty extreme selective posting. To be fair (to me) read back, and it should be pretty obvious that the discussion I was bowing out of was the fruitless and pointless narrow one with 4v6.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 28th June 23:34

[brenflys777]

Greg66 said:

Err, hold on. That is pretty extreme selective posting. To be fair (to me) read back, and it should be pretty obvious that the discussion I was bowing out of was the fruitless and pointless narrow one with 4v6.

Edited by Greg66 on Sunday 28th June 23:34

Fair enough, I'm sure Nigel had good reason to bow out and come back too

[eharding]

brenflys777 said:

Greg66 said:

Err, hold on. That is pretty extreme selective posting. To be fair (to me) read back, and it should be pretty obvious that the discussion I was bowing out of was the fruitless and pointless narrow one with 4v6.

Edited by Greg66 on Sunday 28th June 23:34

Fair enough, I'm sure Nigel had good reason to bow out and come back too

...and never, in the field of British politics, has one individual acted in such a way as to simultaneously completely indulge his own over-weaning personal vanity - and send his minority of smitten 'kipper acolytes into a rapture of delight in process - at the same time as providing a gala performance of political slap-stick comedy for the rest of us, and confirm without the slightest remaining doubt - if there was any - that the corporeal manifestation of Farage is simply the tangible presence of the end of a titanic metaphysical bell.

Edited by eharding on Sunday 28th June 23:56

[MGJohn]

eharding said:

...and never, in the field of British politics, has one individual acted in such a way as to simultaneously completely indulge his own over-weaning personal vanity - and send his minority of smitten 'kipper acolytes into a rapture of delight in process - at the same time as providing a gala performance of political slap-stick comedy for the rest of us, and confirm without the slightest remaining doubt - if there was any - that the corporeal manifestation of Farage is simply the tangible presence of the end of a titanic metaphysical bell.

Sez yow ...

[eharding]

MGJohn said:

eharding said:

...and never, in the field of British politics, has one individual acted in such a way as to simultaneously completely indulge his own over-weaning personal vanity - and send his minority of smitten 'kipper acolytes into a rapture of delight in process - at the same time as providing a gala performance of political slap-stick comedy for the rest of us, and confirm without the slightest remaining doubt - if there was any - that the corporeal manifestation of Farage is simply the tangible presence of the end of a titanic metaphysical bell.

Sez yow ...

Jesus...a brummie? The concept of a Kipper Tie must present a challenge - is it a beverage, neckwear, or simply the number of UKIP MPs elected compared to the number the Greens managed?

[MGJohn]

eharding said:

MGJohn said:

eharding said:

...and never, in the field of British politics, has one individual acted in such a way as to simultaneously completely indulge his own over-weaning personal vanity - and send his minority of smitten 'kipper acolytes into a rapture of delight in process - at the same time as providing a gala performance of political slap-stick comedy for the rest of us, and confirm without the slightest remaining doubt - if there was any - that the corporeal manifestation of Farage is simply the tangible presence of the end of a titanic metaphysical bell.

Sez yow ...

Jesus...a brummie? The concept of a Kipper Tie must present a challenge - is it a beverage, neckwear, or simply the number of UKIP MPs elected compared to the number the Greens managed?

Wrong again! What a Gilbert you are harding! Very fishy type is yow...

I'm from dahn sarf en I ... Thus, superior being and all thet. Can talk proper posh if the mode or mood takes me. There again like they say oop norf...

Yez cudnee mek eet oop.

I'm orf to av a kip now... gotta git me beauty sleep. Big day for me tommorah!

[tangerine_sedge]

eharding said:

Jesus...a brummie? The concept of a Kipper Tie must present a challenge - is it a beverage, neckwear, or simply the number of UKIP MPs elected compared to the number the Greens managed?

Have a

[Disastrous]

MGJohn said:

Yez cudnee mek eet oop.

I get that that's your catchphrase or something but I still don't understand what accent it's meant to be or what relevance it has in this context. Is it meant to look like you're in touch with the common man or somesuch?

[NoNeed]

tangerine_sedge said:

eharding said:

Jesus...a brummie? The concept of a Kipper Tie must present a challenge - is it a beverage, neckwear, or simply the number of UKIP MPs elected compared to the number the Greens managed?

Have a

And one from me

[MGJohn]

Disastrous said:

MGJohn said:

Yez cudnee mek eet oop.

I get that that's your catchphrase or something but I still don't understand what accent it's meant to be or what relevance it has in this context. Is it meant to look like you're in touch with the common man or somesuch?

Your query suggests you're genuinely interested?

It's a blend of North, South, East, Westish with a touch of mid-ish for good measure... One of the acquired bi-products of a long career working all over the green and pleasant.

Nonesuch in touch ... I'm beyond common, I'm ubiquitous or somesuch...

All clear now?

More seriously, are you serious ? ..... You cannot be serious shirly

[blindswelledrat]

MGJohn,

Have a quick flick back at your contributions on this page.
I know to you they might mean something but to the rest of us they are the ramblings of someone who loves his own voice but hasn't actually got anything to say.
Shirley? Sez Yow? Are those genuinely an attempt at communication or are they meant to be funny?

[MGJohn]

blindswelledrat said:

MGJohn,

Have a quick flick back at your contributions on this page.
I know to you they might mean something but to the rest of us they are the ramblings of someone who loves his own voice but hasn't actually got anything to say.
Shirley? Sez Yow? Are those genuinely an attempt at communication or are they meant to be funny?

Oh dearie me. No thanks. In answer to yet another query, I suggest you take your pick. It is of little import. Like this thread has evolved to become.

Unlike Dave C. in the promised IN-OUT referendum, I'm clearly OUT and them some ...

[dirk01]

MGJohn said:

It is of little import. Like this thread has evolved to become.

But surely the question is not whether your posts or this thread of any import (I don't think either ever were in the grand scale of things), but whether UKIP is of any importance either in the lead-up to the referendum or afterwards.

Considering the lead-up as the more urgent of the 2 cases, I think we can safely say that the members of UKIP, and all bar an insignificant number of people who voted for UKIP, will vote to leave the EU. That is a given whether or not UKIP continue to exist. So the question is whether UKIP can influence any other people. And that is where Farage presents the biggest problem IMO. As Evans said, he is a divisive figure, or at least is perceived to be. And perception is all that matters in its impact on voting intentions.

Will his particular brand of demagoguery attract or repel more potential people to vote to come out? Would Evans or Carswell have a better ratio? I think they undoubtedly would. So the real impact that this infighting and back-stabbing has had will be to increase the chances that the UK votes yes to the EU.

One even wonders whether the chances of a vote to leave if UKIP would be better if UKIP had not done as well in the Euros, and thus it and its supporters not been seen or heard as much over the last 18 months. After all, look at the graph of intentions

[FiF]

The latest poll (Ipsos Mori) has the gap even wider than that 66% in vs 22% out and 12% undecided. That's on the straight question before you even get to the one which asks what would be the vote if a negotiated reform recommended by Govt were in place.

Yet there in another poll (Survation) which shows very few respondents definitely for in or out and almost 70% saying they need more information before making a decision.

It's back to who do you believe and many just believing what confirms their own opinions.

[Bill]

FiF said:

The latest poll (Ipsos Mori) has the gap even wider than that 66% in vs 22% out and 12% undecided. That's on the straight question before you even get to the one which asks what would be the vote if a negotiated reform recommended by Govt were in place.

Yet there in another poll (Survation) which shows very few respondents definitely for in or out and almost 70% saying they need more information before making a decision.

It's back to who do you believe and many just believing what confirms their own opinions.

What was the split on the 30%+ who had made their mind up?

[4v6]

Greg66 said:

Err, hold on. That is pretty extreme selective posting. To be fair (to me) read back, and it should be pretty obvious that the discussion I was bowing out of was the fruitless and pointless narrow one with 4v6.

Edited by Greg66 on Sunday 28th June 23:34

Glad youre back greg, got an answer to that question yet?