UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[s2art]

Zod said:

s2art said:

Zod said:

So Nige thinks that taking on debts you cannot repay is a good thing!

Do you have a link to where he says or implies that?

Is that a serious request?

Completely serious. Do you have a link?

[Zod]

s2art said:

Zod said:

s2art said:

Zod said:

So Nige thinks that taking on debts you cannot repay is a good thing!

Do you have a link to where he says or implies that?

Is that a serious request?

Completely serious. Do you have a link?

Oh dear.

[s2art]

Zod said:

s2art said:

Zod said:

s2art said:

Zod said:

So Nige thinks that taking on debts you cannot repay is a good thing!

Do you have a link to where he says or implies that?

Is that a serious request?

Completely serious. Do you have a link?

Oh dear.

Oh dear indeed. Simple request, and you cannot respond. Not surprisingly as Farage has neither said or implied anything of the sort. If you think so, lets have a quote from Farage that you think justifies your statement. I will not be holding my breath on this one.-

[Zod]

I knew I would quickly get that kind of response from one of the Kipper crew. It's always the same: "show me where he said that". That is not the point. He has praised the action of the Greeks in voting against dealing with their debts. That's somewhat opportunist for the leader of a party, many of whose adherents in this thread like to bleat on about how the government has increased our own debt while working to cut the deficit. The fact is that Farage has simply used the opportunity to take a pop at the EU, when both the EU and the Greek government, present and past, are responsible.

[AJS-]

Zod said:

I knew I would quickly get that kind of response from one of the Kipper crew. It's always the same: "show me where he said that". That is not the point. He has praised the action of the Greeks in voting against dealing with their debts. That's somewhat opportunist for the leader of a party, many of whose adherents in this thread like to bleat on about how the government has increased our own debt while working to cut the deficit. The fact is that Farage has simply used the opportunity to take a pop at the EU, when both the EU and the Greek government, present and past, are responsible.

It's not like he just said "f them off, it's only the EU" did he?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/588722/Nige...

[anonymous-user]

AJS- said:

It's not like he just said "f them off, it's only the EU" did he?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/588722/Nige...

The rather obvious gaping hole in St Nigel's "analysis" is that it is based on the premise that the Greeks should tell the EU to fk off by voting no, and then exit the Euro and thereby inflict damage on the Euro and the EU project more generally.

However, the Greeks have just voted no to the terms on offer from the ECB, but do not want to exit the Euro. So pure opportunism by St Nigel designed to appeal to those who don't think too hard.

[AW111]

Anyone else amused by the Green-Kipper alliance re more seats in the house of lords?

I didn't think they could agree on anything!

[AJS-]

It looks fairly doubtful that the Greeks will be able to stay in the Euro, want to or not.

If Farage believes as I do that they would be better off out, that other countries may follow and that this would be good for Europe as a whole then why shouldn't he be pleased about it?

[s2art]

Zod said:

I knew I would quickly get that kind of response from one of the Kipper crew. It's always the same: "show me where he said that". That is not the point. He has praised the action of the Greeks in voting against dealing with their debts. That's somewhat opportunist for the leader of a party, many of whose adherents in this thread like to bleat on about how the government has increased our own debt while working to cut the deficit. The fact is that Farage has simply used the opportunity to take a pop at the EU, when both the EU and the Greek government, present and past, are responsible.

So, basically Farage is stating the position the IMF has belatedly come to (that the only solution is debt write down and a further loan), and somehow that is interpreted (by just you AFAICT) as saying its a good thing to borrow and not pay your debts. Sorry but you are Dagenham (two stops past Barking). I think I will take the opinion of the IMF (and Farage) over yours.

[Zod]

s2art said:

So, basically Farage is stating the position the IMF has belatedly come to (that the only solution is debt write down and a further loan), and somehow that is interpreted (by just you AFAICT) as saying its a good thing to borrow and not pay your debts. Sorry but you are Dagenham (two stops past Barking). I think I will take the opinion of the IMF (and Farage) over yours.

Could you quote where he said that, please?

The IMF has proposed a partial writedown, but in return for substantial steps to be taken by the Greeks.

You should read the IMF's Greek debt sustainability report.

the IMF said:

If the program had been implemented as assumed, no further debt relief would have been needed under the agreed November 2012 framework.

the IMF said:

However, very significant changes in policies and in the outlook since early this year
have resulted in a substantial increase in financing needs

The IMF blames Syriza for the very significant deterioration in the Greek financial position, not the EU.

Edited by Zod on Monday 6th July 16:08

[s2art]

Zod said:

The IMF blames Syriza for the very significant deterioration in the Greek financial position, not the EU.

Edited by Zod on Monday 6th July 16:08

And you believe that do you? lol. Syriza inherited a looming disaster, and the IMF has belatedly realised that itself and the EU caused a bad situation to get a lot worse, and the original bailout amount and conditions were a huge error. As for Farage see;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/1010...

Note Farage was saying this in 2013. He has said a lot more on similar lines since, pointing out that Iceland recovered rapidly once the correct medicine was taken (default and devaluation). Nothing special about this, many other commentators, including loads on PH, were saying similar things.

Edited by s2art on Monday 6th July 16:43

[Zod]

Ah, so the IMF is now learning from the Blessed Nigel.

Look for NicD's thread asking why we didn't follow Iceland's example. You might learn something. It was not a route open to Greece either.

[s2art]

Zod said:

Ah, so the IMF is now learning from the Blessed Nigel.

Look for NicD's thread asking why we didn't follow Iceland's example. You might learn something. It was not a route open to Greece either.

Of course it is. They can go back to the Drachma (they will eventually have to) throw themselves on the mercy of the IMF and default on the ECB debt (which they will anyway).

[Zod]

s2art said:

Of course it is. They can go back to the Drachma (they will eventually have to) throw themselves on the mercy of the IMF and default on the ECB debt (which they will anyway).

You need to read more carefully: "was" is past tense. While Greece maintained a desire to remain in the Euro, the Iceland route was not open to it.

[s2art]

Zod said:

s2art said:

Of course it is. They can go back to the Drachma (they will eventually have to) throw themselves on the mercy of the IMF and default on the ECB debt (which they will anyway).

You need to read more carefully: "was" is past tense. While Greece maintained a desire to remain in the Euro, the Iceland route was not open to it.

They can desire it all they like, they aren't going to get it.

[Zod]

s2art said:

Zod said:

s2art said:

Of course it is. They can go back to the Drachma (they will eventually have to) throw themselves on the mercy of the IMF and default on the ECB debt (which they will anyway).

You need to read more carefully: "was" is past tense. While Greece maintained a desire to remain in the Euro, the Iceland route was not open to it.

They can desire it all they like, they aren't going to get it.

Wait and see. I expect a typical EU fudge. They can't afford to let a country leave the Euro.

[s2art]

Zod said:

s2art said:

Zod said:

s2art said:

Of course it is. They can go back to the Drachma (they will eventually have to) throw themselves on the mercy of the IMF and default on the ECB debt (which they will anyway).

You need to read more carefully: "was" is past tense. While Greece maintained a desire to remain in the Euro, the Iceland route was not open to it.

They can desire it all they like, they aren't going to get it.

Wait and see. I expect a typical EU fudge. They can't afford to let a country leave the Euro.

Got to admit, the past is on your side here. But if something cant go on forever, it will stop.

[Einion Yrth]

s2art said:

Zod said:

s2art said:

Zod said:

s2art said:

Of course it is. They can go back to the Drachma (they will eventually have to) throw themselves on the mercy of the IMF and default on the ECB debt (which they will anyway).

You need to read more carefully: "was" is past tense. While Greece maintained a desire to remain in the Euro, the Iceland route was not open to it.

They can desire it all they like, they aren't going to get it.

Wait and see. I expect a typical EU fudge. They can't afford to let a country leave the Euro.

Got to admit, the past is on your side here. But if something cant go on forever, it will stop.

When the Eurozone "stops", which I tend to agree is pretty much inevitable now, it will not be pretty.

[McTory]

Zod said:

Wait and see. I expect a typical EU fudge. They can't afford to let a country leave the Euro.

Yep Greece will have a huge amount of its debts written off

And those that are dumb enough to work will cough up

[brenflys777]

I'm still disappointed he's stayed as leader, but Farages performance in the EU Parliament yesterday was impressive:

http://youtu.be/94UcyJnRcGU

UKIP has been ahead of the curve on issues like this for years but have failed to capitalise on it, the problems with the Eurozone and different cultures and economies within has been a UKIP issue long before the current crisis. Same with current EU migration issues, Syria, Jihadis, housing and energy costs. For a one issue party they/Farage seem to be doing well to identify future problems before other parties will get involved.

The way the EU are dealing with Greece must be helping the out of EU cause and UKIP.