UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
eharding said:
Mr_B said:
treepke said:
Mr_B said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Halb said:
He's that mad b
d, isn't he?
Utterly hatstand. d, isn't he?
But then given Labour are busy rigging a gun to shoot themselves in not just the foot, but to blow both testicles off in the process, they could probably wheel out that Anjem chap they poached of Ukip for one days headlines, only to then bury him just as quick, and still win comfortably.
brenflys777 said:
McKenzie is one of the eligible members who've put their name forward for selection. He isn't a UKIP candidate as of yet, although he's stood for them before. I'm not particularly impressed by him but that misses the point Suzanne Evans was making.
UKIP hasn't got a positive selection process - AFAIK - but they still seem to be able to attract a significant number of females, openly gay and ethnic minority members and candidates. Whilst bigots from outside the party accuse them of being sexist, homophobic and racist.
All very commendable. Having heard this chap speak, Evans should be talking up their promotion of equality for people with mental illness too.UKIP hasn't got a positive selection process - AFAIK - but they still seem to be able to attract a significant number of females, openly gay and ethnic minority members and candidates. Whilst bigots from outside the party accuse them of being sexist, homophobic and racist.
968 said:
brenflys777 said:
McKenzie is one of the eligible members who've put their name forward for selection. He isn't a UKIP candidate as of yet, although he's stood for them before. I'm not particularly impressed by him but that misses the point Suzanne Evans was making.
UKIP hasn't got a positive selection process - AFAIK - but they still seem to be able to attract a significant number of females, openly gay and ethnic minority members and candidates. Whilst bigots from outside the party accuse them of being sexist, homophobic and racist.
All very commendable. Having heard this chap speak, Evans should be talking up their promotion of equality for people with mental illness too.UKIP hasn't got a positive selection process - AFAIK - but they still seem to be able to attract a significant number of females, openly gay and ethnic minority members and candidates. Whilst bigots from outside the party accuse them of being sexist, homophobic and racist.
Or put it another way - if a UKIP candidate described someone he disagreed with or wouldn't vote for as having a mental illness they might find the usual suspects accusing them of inappropriate comments about mental health. It would likely be a nonsense accusation as I'm sure it would be if levelled at you, but the point I think Evans was making is that the throw away insults about UKIP and racism, homophobia and sexism are undermined by the actual evidence.
All that said I wouldn't vote for McKenzie. He's been a member of most political parties, he consistantly fails to get elected and he seems too unintelligent for a job reliant on his ability to think and communicate. Evans on the other hand seems sharp and useful and whilst other parties insist on all women shortlists and positive discrimination to obtain minority representation, the variety of potential candidates wanting to represent UKIP is buoyant.
968 said:
brenflys777 said:
UKIP aren't making too many noises in the press at the moment, whether they are keeping their powder dry or have run out of gunpowder I'm not sure yet, but this tweet from Suzanne Evans amused me. Following the nonsense about gay pride banning UKIP LGBT as the wrong type of gays, more evidence of a party that has potential to surprise:
Have you heard Winston McKenzie speak? I don't think UKIP have anything to be proud of, fielding candidate like him.http://insidecroydon.com/2012/11/27/ukip-disowns-c...
brenflys777 said:
All that said I wouldn't vote for McKenzie. He's been a member of most political parties, he consistantly fails to get elected and he seems too unintelligent for a job reliant on his ability to think and communicate. Evans on the other hand seems sharp and useful and whilst other parties insist on all women shortlists and positive discrimination to obtain minority representation, the variety of potential candidates wanting to represent UKIP is buoyant.
And yet Evans seems keen to use Winston as a "See! We're NOT racist" poster boy....He's a muppet. And it seems he's the best candidate for proving UKIP's diversity credentials .....
Countdown said:
And yet Evans seems keen to use Winston as a "See! We're NOT racist" poster boy....
He's a muppet. And it seems he's the best candidate for proving UKIP's diversity credentials .....
Evans isn't doing that, she just pointed out the fact that the make up of the potential candidates shows diversity in a party that is accused of lacking it! He may be a muppet but he is black, other potential candidates are gay and female. It's only relevant when bigots accuse UKIP of being racist, sexist or homophobic as a party when the diversity in the party suggests this isn't entirely the case, clearly like the LGBT pride rallies banning UKIP these are the wrong kind of Gays, Blacks or Women...He's a muppet. And it seems he's the best candidate for proving UKIP's diversity credentials .....
Bill said:
NicD said:
Don't just ask that of UKIP. In these days of 'balanced' slates - which in fact, end up with unbalanced candidates.
I thought ukip were meant to be different.Bill said:
Would McKenzie have got a look in as a ukip candidate if he wasn't black?
McKenzie was selected as a candidate for his local seat Croydon North by UKIP for GE2015. He didn't do very well and made a number of gaffs towards his dump of an area and UKIP itself. I would be very surprised if he is selected this time as a mayoral candidate. However, you make a valid point - was he selected on supposed merit or because of race? The other candidates from other parties had a range of ethnic backgrounds. If you'd ask the same question of them then fair enough, otherwise I think your opinion is laced with prejudice.
NicD said:
Bill said:
NicD said:
Don't just ask that of UKIP. In these days of 'balanced' slates - which in fact, end up with unbalanced candidates.
I thought ukip were meant to be different.
brenflys777 said:
However, you make a valid point - was he selected on supposed merit or because of race? The other candidates from other parties had a range of ethnic backgrounds. If you'd ask the same question of them then fair enough, otherwise I think your opinion is laced with prejudice.
If other parties were allowing similarly poor candidates to move forwards I'd be asking why as well.As it is it looks like he's there just to show how inclusive ukip are.
Bill said:
brenflys777 said:
However, you make a valid point - was he selected on supposed merit or because of race? The other candidates from other parties had a range of ethnic backgrounds. If you'd ask the same question of them then fair enough, otherwise I think your opinion is laced with prejudice.
If other parties were allowing similarly poor candidates to move forwards I'd be asking why as well.As it is it looks like he's there just to show how inclusive ukip are.
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