UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[Kermit power]

Smollet said:

Can't see any point to them anymore. They've achieved their aim. Tbh arguably the most influential and successful party there's in British politics for many a generation.

I'd say Blair's Labour party wins that mantle by a country mile. He changed the face of British politics so much that many disenfranchised Tory voters turned to UKIP out of desperation. Without that, UKIP would've never got off the ground, and now that Corbyn has taken Labour back to the Seventies, May can start moving the Tories back to their own natural ground, and there's no further need of UKIP.

UKIP were a symptom, not the disease.

[Kermit power]

It will be interesting to see whether UKIP soldier on an field candidates in the GE, or whether we'll get an announcement later today or on Monday that they're winding up the party.

[Trabi601]

All the casually racist and those scared of funny foreign types have migrated back to their former natural home - the Tory party.

Major started moving the Tories towards a more tolerant middle ground, leaving the dinosaurs with nowhere to go. UKIP gave them a safe place in which to find sympathisers for their backward and unpleasant views.

Sadly, May has returned the Tories to their previous ground and the kippers have returned - essentially leaving UKIP as the acceptable face of the BNP.

[hyphen]

I would imagine that they will concentrate all resources on just 1 seat (Nutall's), getting an MP will allow them to exist for another 5 years, however small.

[Vaud]

Trabi601 said:

All the casually racist and those scared of funny foreign types have migrated back to their former natural home - the Tory party.

Major started moving the Tories towards a more tolerant middle ground, leaving the dinosaurs with nowhere to go. UKIP gave them a safe place in which to find sympathisers for their backward and unpleasant views.

Sadly, May has returned the Tories to their previous ground and the kippers have returned - essentially leaving UKIP as the acceptable face of the BNP.

I think it is more nuanced than that. Tories are still in the middle ground on many social issues (living wage, etc) but now are at least clear on Europe in terms of policy. So they get to attract the centrist seeking home from new labour and the right...

[Eddie Strohacker]

Trabi601 said:

All the casually racist and those scared of funny foreign types have migrated back to their former natural home - the Tory party.

Major started moving the Tories towards a more tolerant middle ground, leaving the dinosaurs with nowhere to go. UKIP gave them a safe place in which to find sympathisers for their backward and unpleasant views.

Sadly, May has returned the Tories to their previous ground and the kippers have returned - essentially leaving UKIP as the acceptable face of the BNP.

Quite why you would bury what is a good point in with a lot of bile is a mystery, but it remains a decent point. Theresa has turned the Tory party hard right & effectively annexed UKIP. We've come a long way from that speech about the nasty party.

[Vaud]

Eddie Strohacker said:

We've come a long way from that speech about the nasty party.

And if you want to see nasty, you should see what is happening in some regional Union and local party groups with Momentum and infiltration of Trotskites who care not one jot for their members nor the Labour movement.

[London424]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Trabi601 said:

All the casually racist and those scared of funny foreign types have migrated back to their former natural home - the Tory party.

Major started moving the Tories towards a more tolerant middle ground, leaving the dinosaurs with nowhere to go. UKIP gave them a safe place in which to find sympathisers for their backward and unpleasant views.

Sadly, May has returned the Tories to their previous ground and the kippers have returned - essentially leaving UKIP as the acceptable face of the BNP.

Quite why you would bury what is a good point in with a lot of bile is a mystery, but it remains a decent point. Theresa has turned the Tory party hard right & effectively annexed UKIP. We've come a long way from that speech about the nasty party.

What Conservative policy that May has put forward is hard right??

[Smollet]

Kermit power said:

Smollet said:

Can't see any point to them anymore. They've achieved their aim. Tbh arguably the most influential and successful party there's in British politics for many a generation.

I'd say Blair's Labour party wins that mantle by a country mile. He changed the face of British politics so much that many disenfranchised Tory voters turned to UKIP out of desperation. Without that, UKIP would've never got off the ground, and now that Corbyn has taken Labour back to the Seventies, May can start moving the Tories back to their own natural ground, and there's no further need of UKIP.

UKIP were a symptom, not the disease.

That's an interesting take on it. UKIP existed solely to get the UK out of the EU and they achieved that. NuLabour existed only to be part time lightweight Tories and they weren't very good at that.

[FN2TypeR]

Absolutely, completely and utterly finished

Disband!

[jjlynn27]

Jonesy23 said:

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I'd also say that Farage & Banks really haven't helped things; in recent times they really showed up as being in it for themselves & sod everyone else & the rest of the party really don't seem up to the job.

'In recent times'?

Looking at the UKIP demographics, it was always a vehicle for Farage to feed his ego, and for the underachieving oaps to lust after 'good ole times' when there were fewer foreigners and the world made more sense to them. Obviously, there were few exceptions.

One thing is certain, UKIP provided hours of entertainment.

[AmitG]

I think they should disband.

People didn't want UKIP; they wanted Brexit, and supporting UKIP was the vehicle that allowed them to get Brexit. With Brexit now happening, people are not interested in the party any more. I haven't met a single UKIP voter who could name any UKIP policy other than Brexit.

Either they should disband with dignity, as a surely unique (in recent history) example of a party that came from nowhere, overturned British politics and changed the history of Europe. Or they should find a new purpose. I liked Douglas Carswell's libertarian ideas, but it seems that the party did not agree and he has now left. I also liked Stephen Woolf's idea of taking the 100 educationally worst performing areas in the UK and building top-class schools in them, with intense government focus. But again he is basically gone.

[Digga]

AmitG said:

I think they should disband.

People didn't want UKIP; they wanted Brexit, and supporting UKIP was the vehicle that allowed them to get Brexit. With Brexit now happening, people are not interested in the party any more. I haven't met a single UKIP voter who could name any UKIP policy other than Brexit.

Either they should disband with dignity, as a surely unique (in recent history) example of a party that came from nowhere, overturned British politics and changed the history of Europe. Or they should find a new purpose. I liked Douglas Carswell's libertarian ideas, but it seems that the party did not agree and he has now left. I also liked Stephen Woolf's idea of taking the 100 educationally worst performing areas in the UK and building top-class schools in them, with intense government focus. But again he is basically gone.

Excellent post. I can only add that, post Farage, they have no credible, charismatic (like or not) and marketable figurehead and will continue to fall into obscurity.

[anonymous-user]

jjlynn27 said:

Jonesy23 said:

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I'd also say that Farage & Banks really haven't helped things; in recent times they really showed up as being in it for themselves & sod everyone else & the rest of the party really don't seem up to the job.

'In recent times'?

Looking at the UKIP demographics, it was always a vehicle for Farage to feed his ego, and for the underachieving oaps to lust after 'good ole times' when there were fewer foreigners and the world made more sense to them. Obviously, there were few exceptions.

One thing is certain, UKIP provided hours of entertainment.

I agree with your analysis.

UKIP would indeed be laughable, had they not managed to hijack the Country and trash our children's futures. I am not sorry to see them go. I would be inclined to say to every one of the scumbags "may you rot", but instead I shall wish them all long lives, so that they get to see what they have done.

[Sylvaforever]

Nuttal was the final step a closet brained English Nationalist

[anonymous-user]

Sylvaforever said:

Nuttal was the final step a closet brained English Nationalist

I was right there with you until you suggested that Nuttall possesses a brain. That's the thirteenth stroke of the crazy clock, that is.

[Kermit power]

Smollet said:

Kermit power said:

Smollet said:

Can't see any point to them anymore. They've achieved their aim. Tbh arguably the most influential and successful party there's in British politics for many a generation.

I'd say Blair's Labour party wins that mantle by a country mile. He changed the face of British politics so much that many disenfranchised Tory voters turned to UKIP out of desperation. Without that, UKIP would've never got off the ground, and now that Corbyn has taken Labour back to the Seventies, May can start moving the Tories back to their own natural ground, and there's no further need of UKIP.

UKIP were a symptom, not the disease.

That's an interesting take on it. UKIP existed solely to get the UK out of the EU and they achieved that. NuLabour existed only to be part time lightweight Tories and they weren't very good at that.

If we'd carried on with the traditional left/right balanced politics that we had before Blair, I'm really not convinced that EU membership would every have been enough of an issue to allow UKIP any real support in the first place.

To my mind, I think politicians from both Labour and the Conservatives did a very good job of using the EU as a scapegoat to explain why they couldn't deliver on things that the people wanted, whereas the real reason was that to do so would cost them too many votes from other areas of the electorate, and the Blair era ushered in politics of trying to keep everyone happy all of the time.

As a result of this, UKIP hoovered up support from the disenfranchised on both left and right, and the main parties realised belatedly that just because they have to fight for the centre ground to win elections, it doesn't actually mean there are many voters in the centre ground!

[technodup]

London424 said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Theresa has turned the Tory party hard right & effectively annexed UKIP. We've come a long way from that speech about the nasty party.

What Conservative policy that May has put forward is hard right??

None. If May wins her expected landslide that shows she's as centrist as can be.

My issue with recent Tories is they're nowhere near conservative enough.

[Digga]

Breadvan72 said:

Sylvaforever said:

Nuttal was the final step a closet brained English Nationalist

I was right there with you until you suggested that Nuttall possesses a brain. That's the thirteenth stroke of the crazy clock, that is.

Your both being extremely unfair. Wikki says he's a very distinguished member of MENSA.

[johnxjsc1985]

Sylvaforever said:

Nuttal was the final step a closet brained English Nationalist

Think its fair to say the good people of Lincoln have given a message to Mr Nuttal and its don't bother turning up in June.