UKIP - The Future - Volume 4

[steveT350C]

Username888 said:

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Some? Plural? Which one other than bias-o'brien? I *thought* that I had listened to every single one of his LBC interviews, and the only car crash I remember with bias unkept sanctimonious o'brien who, didn't even let Farage finish a sentence, let alone make a point. More of an interrogation than an interview.

I have seen Farage in countless *interviews*, Paxman you name it, and he has very rarely failed to impress.

indeed.

I listen to LBC every morning and have never missed a 'Phone Farage'; he is always very impressive. He talks sense, answers questions directly and in snot afraid of difficult subjects.

Eta, just seen my typo. Currently recovering from worst bout of man flu ever, so quite poignant.

Edited by steveT350C on Friday 27th March 16:55

[FiF]

I think his problem is that he doesn't suffer fools and obnoxious gits gladly, points at LBC O'Brien as an example. Quite a lot of people would get flustered and irritated by deliberate rudeness and diversionary tactics aided by constant ill mannered interruption. Best thing that could happen to that interviewer is a dose of Arkell vs Pressdram, problem being the prick would declare that as a victory and evidence of him being right.

There's quite a few interviewers who rely on belligerence and hectoring as opposed to intelligent well mannered questioning.

[don4l]

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Well, this your lucky day!

Paxman has interviewed Farage, and it is on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynq_KqlmHIY

Enjoy!

[MGJohn]

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Well, this your lucky day!

Paxman has interviewed Farage, and it is on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynq_KqlmHIY

Enjoy!

Yes, seen that before. Rightly or wrongly, did I detect a hint of admiration from Paxman during that cross examination of his "victim"?

[anonymous-user]

MGJohn said:

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Well, this your lucky day!

Paxman has interviewed Farage, and it is on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynq_KqlmHIY

Enjoy!

Yes, seen that before. Rightly or wrongly, did I detect a hint of admiration from Paxman during that cross examination of his "victim"?

Not something I saw, I have to say. That was, to me, a cold and clinical interview that dissected Farage with carefully chosen questions and then just letting him talk. I had the impression that Paxman regarded Farage as a dangerous imbecile.

[don4l]

MGJohn said:

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Well, this your lucky day!

Paxman has interviewed Farage, and it is on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynq_KqlmHIY

Enjoy!

Yes, seen that before. Rightly or wrongly, did I detect a hint of admiration from Paxman during that cross examination of his "victim"?

Quite possibly.

Farage is probably one of the few honest politicians that Paxman has interviewed.

The straight answers may have thrown him off course.

I'm sure that Greg saw Nigel get absolutely thrashed... Cognitive bias does this to an otherwise sound mind.

[dandarez]

steveT350C said:

Username888 said:

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Some? Plural? Which one other than bias-o'brien? I *thought* that I had listened to every single one of his LBC interviews, and the only car crash I remember with bias unkept sanctimonious o'brien who, didn't even let Farage finish a sentence, let alone make a point. More of an interrogation than an interview.

I have seen Farage in countless *interviews*, Paxman you name it, and he has very rarely failed to impress.

indeed.

I listen to LBC every morning and have never missed a 'Phone Farage'; he is always very impressive. He talks sense, answers questions directly and in snot afraid of difficult subjects.

Eta, just seen my typo. Currently recovering from worst bout of man flu ever, so quite poignant.

Gregg66 just hates Farage so he has to say what he says. Choices are difficult when you have none.

In interviews Farage is streets ahead of the others. They know that. He knows that. And so does Gregg66!

Re you worst bout of man flu ever, I'm suffering too. Third week and nothing is touching it. I can't recall any cold as bad in my life and that's a few years. And oddly, every other bugger seems to be coughing their hearts up round here too. Perhaps they're trying to stop us voting? They'd stop at nothing to halt a kipper, ya know!

[steveT350C]

dandarez said:

steveT350C said:

Username888 said:

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Some? Plural? Which one other than bias-o'brien? I *thought* that I had listened to every single one of his LBC interviews, and the only car crash I remember with bias unkept sanctimonious o'brien who, didn't even let Farage finish a sentence, let alone make a point. More of an interrogation than an interview.

I have seen Farage in countless *interviews*, Paxman you name it, and he has very rarely failed to impress.

indeed.

I listen to LBC every morning and have never missed a 'Phone Farage'; he is always very impressive. He talks sense, answers questions directly and in snot afraid of difficult subjects.

Eta, just seen my typo. Currently recovering from worst bout of man flu ever, so quite poignant.

Gregg66 just hates Farage so he has to say what he says. Choices are difficult when you have none.

In interviews Farage is streets ahead of the others. They know that. He knows that. And so does Gregg66!

Re you worst bout of man flu ever, I'm suffering too. Third week and nothing is touching it. I can't recall any cold as bad in my life and that's a few years. And oddly, every other bugger seems to be coughing their hearts up round here too. Perhaps they're trying to stop us voting? They'd stop at nothing to halt a kipper, ya know!

Fingers crossed I am over the worst of it. Been two weeks of coughing and other unpleasantness but today a definite improvement.

Get well soon

[Zod]

don4l said:

MGJohn said:

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Well, this your lucky day!

Paxman has interviewed Farage, and it is on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynq_KqlmHIY

Enjoy!

Yes, seen that before. Rightly or wrongly, did I detect a hint of admiration from Paxman during that cross examination of his "victim"?

Quite possibly.

Farage is probably one of the few honest politicians that Paxman has interviewed.

The straight answers may have thrown him off course.

I'm sure that Greg saw Nigel get absolutely thrashed... Cognitive bias does this to an otherwise sound mind.

No cognitive bias in your mind of course.

If you tead a post like this by anyone else about any other politician, I think you would be critical.

[don4l]

Zod said:

don4l said:

MGJohn said:

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

Listen to some of the Farage interviews on LBC. He falls to pieces quite badly when put under pressure. He wouldn't shine against Paxman, certainly. I'd expect excoriation.

Well, this your lucky day!

Paxman has interviewed Farage, and it is on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynq_KqlmHIY

Enjoy!

Yes, seen that before. Rightly or wrongly, did I detect a hint of admiration from Paxman during that cross examination of his "victim"?

Quite possibly.

Farage is probably one of the few honest politicians that Paxman has interviewed.

The straight answers may have thrown him off course.

I'm sure that Greg saw Nigel get absolutely thrashed... Cognitive bias does this to an otherwise sound mind.

No cognitive bias in your mind of course.

If you read a post like this by anyone else about any other politician, I think you would be critical.

Of course I would. I hate hypocrisy.

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Quite possibly.

Farage is probably one of the few honest politicians that Paxman has interviewed.

The straight answers may have thrown him off course.

I'm sure that Greg saw Nigel get absolutely thrashed... Cognitive bias does this to an otherwise sound mind.

Absolutely thrashed? No, that wasn't it at all. It was a case of letting Farage hang himself: ask the right questions, let him talk, and you've given the man all the rope that he needs to leave himself hanging in the midday sun.

The interview was bad for Farage because of what he said, not the tone of the interviewer, the tone of the responses, or the level of combativeness.

[anonymous-user]

dandarez said:

Gregg66 just hates Farage so he has to say what he says. Choices are difficult when you have none.

In interviews Farage is streets ahead of the others. They know that. He knows that. And so does Gregg66!

If Farage's message speaks to you uncritically, then I suppose you are going to regard him as a good interviewee. Personally I find him full of deliberately populist but wholly undeliverable claptrap. But No doubt that is my fault.

PS dandarez, I believe you have said you are a publisher. I hope you outsource your proof reading!

[don4l]

Greg66 said:

dandarez said:

Gregg66 just hates Farage so he has to say what he says. Choices are difficult when you have none.

In interviews Farage is streets ahead of the others. They know that. He knows that. And so does Gregg66!

If Farage's message speaks to you uncritically, then I suppose you are going to regard him as a good interviewee. Personally I find him full of deliberately populist but wholly undeliverable claptrap. But No doubt that is my fault.

PS dandarez, I believe you have said you are a publisher. I hope you outsource your proof reading!

Do you think that a UKIP government could not deliver an exit from the EU?

Why not?

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

Greg66 said:

dandarez said:

Gregg66 just hates Farage so he has to say what he says. Choices are difficult when you have none.

In interviews Farage is streets ahead of the others. They know that. He knows that. And so does Gregg66!

If Farage's message speaks to you uncritically, then I suppose you are going to regard him as a good interviewee. Personally I find him full of deliberately populist but wholly undeliverable claptrap. But No doubt that is my fault.

PS dandarez, I believe you have said you are a publisher. I hope you outsource your proof reading!

Do you think that a UKIP government could not deliver an exit from the EU?

Why not?

A couple of problems with your premise:

First, EU exit isn't populist. Reform is, but exit isn't. Reform isn't, as I understand it, Farage's plan.

Secondly, there will never be a UKIP government.

I'll say that again, because it has a nice ring to it.

There will never be a UKIP government.

Besides those points though conceivably a British government could announce a unilateral departure from the EU, so in that sense exit is a deliverable.

The land of milk and honey that UKIP claims would follow falls into the "populist but wholly undeliverable claptrap" camp though.

And as your next question will be "why?", the answer is one that has been done to death many times in previous volumes of this thread: on the one hand you have the Kippers stating as definitive fact that a couple of days work in drafting some new treaties, and some change of signage at the borders is all that would be needed, so by Tuesday week we would be all fine and dandy, and on the other hand you have people who live in the real world saying that the steps, processes and consequences would be just a teensy weeny bit more involved than that. Years more involved. With a high degree of uncertainty. I'm not interested in having that debate yet again, and I'm sure you can divine where I stand on it.

[Scuffers]

Greg66 said:

First, EU exit isn't populist. Reform is, but exit isn't. Reform isn't, as I understand it, Farage's plan.

reform is smoke and mirrors

if you can't see that, you have issues.

[Mr_B]

So, anyone want to guess at what reform looks like ? I keep hearing it, no one seems to want to venture as to what it may look like. What do the pro Europe and pro Tory peeps think this is going to look like, what's the bare minimum on this ?

[steveT350C]

bks to discussing reform, never gonna happen!

I vote for happy, unbridled patriotism coupled with another bank holiday! Woo hoo!!!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566852/Nigel-Fara...

[JustAnotherLogin]

Express said:

in Scotland, St Andrew’s Day on November 30 was designated a “voluntary public holiday” by the Edinburgh Parliament in 2006.

A voluntary public holiday. Sort of like a holiday then

[anonymous-user]

steveT350C said:

bks to discussing reform, never gonna happen!

I vote for happy, unbridled patriotism coupled with another bank holiday! Woo hoo!!!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566852/Nigel-Fara...

That's odd.

I just saw a load of dogs stop what they were doing and turn round.

[FiF]

Mr_B said:

So, anyone want to guess at what reform looks like ? I keep hearing it, no one seems to want to venture as to what it may look like. What do the pro Europe and pro Tory peeps think this is going to look like, what's the bare minimum on this ?

I've been asking this very question for over a year now and the silence has been deafening.

It has been directed at various groups but particularly those who say "We are certain we want to be part of EU, but the EU must reform."

Ok so what reforms then? Are there any lines in the sand that if not achieved you'd say enough is enough and we need to be out.

But no answers except one which said MEPs had to attend sessions compulsorily. Pathetic seeing as they, MEPs, are effectively powerless.

The conclusion is that such people are empty vessels devoid of ideas. Empty vessels making a lot of noise.