Good to see we're deporting the right people

Good to see we're deporting the right people

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Oakey

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27,523 posts

215 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
You'd hope so, right? But then, they fined his employer £15,000 so it doesn't sound like common sense is prevailing.

PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
Interesting, you think because people see things as unjust,that equates to racist.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Oakey said:
unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
You'd hope so, right? But then, they fined his employer £15,000 so it doesn't sound like common sense is prevailing.
It sounds like the letter of the law is prevailing.

Just out of interest:
Where do you draw the line between 'common sense' and the law?

unrepentant

21,212 posts

255 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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PRTVR said:
unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
Interesting, you think because people see things as unjust,that equates to racist.
You kind of made my point for me mate.....

PRTVR said:
He is white, not allowed human rights.

PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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unrepentant said:
PRTVR said:
unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
Interesting, you think because people see things as unjust,that equates to racist.
You kind of made my point for me mate.....

PRTVR said:
He is white, not allowed human rights.
It was meant as a dig at legal aid, turn up from abroad illegally with no money, you can have legal aid, work all your life and have some savings, you have to pay for yourself, if you can afford it or when your money runs out, you may get aid.

stuart313

740 posts

112 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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When he leaves for a better life in America and takes his tax/future tax paying kids with him, do you think they will refund all the tax he wrongly paid over the last 40 years.

If I had the right to go and work in America I would be packed and ready within the hour, what's he still doing in a country that hates him.

MGJohn

10,203 posts

182 months

Tuesday 24th March 2015
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Ah c'mon folks. Don't knock it. UK running true to form.

Just more evidence of a Nation excelling at getting far too many things quite simply wrong.

Plus need to make room for all those increasing numbers of incoming immigrants those we've entrusted the well being of the Nation for decades now have assured us are hugely beneficial.

You better believe it!

Right, I'm off to start up a sham marriage agency. Nice little earner. I'll be rich, no more aged MGs and Rovers for me. I'll be able to afford something exotic, like a new focus. thumbup

speedy_thrills

7,760 posts

242 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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Is he not eligible for a UK passport by descent?

Interestingly I discovered that if I move back to the UK, despite holding a UK passport, being born in the UK to British parents, in many ways I would be regarded as an immigrant and not be eligible to receive some services. Changed recently as well. I guess I'll just have to tough it out here in the colonies beer.

Red Devil

13,055 posts

207 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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Oakey said:
unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
You'd hope so, right? But then, they fined his employer £15,000 so it doesn't sound like common sense is prevailing.
Where is the public interest in deporting this guy? On the face of it, it seems like yet another case of blinkered vision by the Home Office.
Saint Theresa needs to have a word with somebody in her Department. This story is an absolute gift for Mr Farage with an election coming looming.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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Good riddance I say.

He sneaks in over here illegally aged 3, just because his mum happens to be British, and he sponges a free education, then steals one of our jobs for 30 + years. I bet he still can't speak a work of English. And who does he support when England play the USA at cricket?

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
I must be one of them because I feel the way we allow medieval vermin to start infiltrating our way of life has to stop.
Hap[pen you could pop round and paint a big letter R on my front door eh chuckles ?

Asterix

24,438 posts

227 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
Doesn't matter - think of the Home Office resources that have already been deployed to get it to this stage. At the earliest point, someone with have a brain cell should have lobbed the whole thing in the bin and got on with dealing with the proper scum that are ruining the UK.

It's a sad reflection of the worker drones in public office.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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unrepentant said:
C'mon, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that he will be deported. It's an extreme case and will obviously be sorted out. His old mum is still alive and he has 3 British kids. This is just red meat for the knuckle dragging racists to get worked up about.
Genius. So the 6,590 petitioners are 'knuckle dragging racists'?

Utterly amazing statement!

wolves_wanderer

12,356 posts

236 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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Grumfutock said:
Genius. So the 6,590 petitioners are 'knuckle dragging racists'?

Utterly amazing statement!
Well its your statement.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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wolves_wanderer said:
Grumfutock said:
Genius. So the 6,590 petitioners are 'knuckle dragging racists'?

Utterly amazing statement!
Well its your statement.
What?

killingjoker

950 posts

192 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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Signed.

scorp

8,783 posts

228 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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That fine seems very unnecessary and spiteful, I suppose all British employees will now need more extensive background checks.

kev1974

4,029 posts

128 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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While obviously a technicality it seems from the comments and reports elsewhere that he's been given numerous opportunities to sort his st out. If he would pull his finger out a bit and do whatever paperwork they want then I expect it would have been sorted as far back as 2007 when he was apparently flagged at immigration while re-entering the country. So it isn't like this situation has suddenly arisen in the last couple of months and it also appears he hasn't just been randomly picked on out of the blue for the sake of it.

"The 56-year-old, known as Carl to his family and friends, has an American passport but says he didn’t realise he needed British citizenship to stay in the country he calls home."

I don't know how often US passports need renewing but presumably its every 10 years or so like UK ones. So he's managed to keep up with the US renewals and that means he has to have been aware that there's been a question over his immigration status for some time.

I suspect there is only half the story being reported here. At best he and his employer have buried their heads in the sand and thought it would go away, at worst he's probably had UK immigration saying "US or UK mate, which do you want to be, choose one and stick to it" for some time and he's been somewhat on the unhelpful side about it for whatever reason, so they're digging in and playing it fully technical, which ultimately means bye bye.

fido

16,752 posts

254 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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kev1974 said:
I don't know how often US passports need renewing but presumably its every 10 years or so like UK ones. So he's managed to keep up with the US renewals and that means he has to have been aware that there's been a question over his immigration status for some time.
I guess some people don't think about their immigration status - or assume because their spouse is British then they don't need one. Similar thing with my mum - born in Overseas Territories but didn't apply for a British passport - as my dad already had one. Then she had to then spend a number of years to go through the whole getting-a-British-passport thing. But as you say I don't understand how he managed to ignore it for some many years.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Wednesday 25th March 2015
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kev1974 said:
While obviously a technicality it seems from the comments and reports elsewhere that he's been given numerous opportunities to sort his st out. If he would pull his finger out a bit and do whatever paperwork they want then I expect it would have been sorted as far back as 2007 when he was apparently flagged at immigration while re-entering the country. So it isn't like this situation has suddenly arisen in the last couple of months and it also appears he hasn't just been randomly picked on out of the blue for the sake of it.

"The 56-year-old, known as Carl to his family and friends, has an American passport but says he didn’t realise he needed British citizenship to stay in the country he calls home."

I don't know how often US passports need renewing but presumably its every 10 years or so like UK ones. So he's managed to keep up with the US renewals and that means he has to have been aware that there's been a question over his immigration status for some time.

I suspect there is only half the story being reported here. At best he and his employer have buried their heads in the sand and thought it would go away, at worst he's probably had UK immigration saying "US or UK mate, which do you want to be, choose one and stick to it" for some time and he's been somewhat on the unhelpful side about it for whatever reason, so they're digging in and playing it fully technical, which ultimately means bye bye.
100% this.

If something in a newspaper smells far fetched, it probably is and you're probably only getting half the story.

To avoid cries of our country being deemed racist, our rules need to be applied evenly irrespective of the apparent status of the individuals concerned. It seems that that is what is being done,and that with a little bit of personal accountability on this chap's behalf and his mum's decades ago it could all have been avoided.

I'd be feeding the press even more sensationalism by passing the costs of all of this onto the individuals too smile

Whether other people deserve deportation too is irrelevant as long as the prevailing rules are being applied equally.