Good to see we're deporting the right people
Discussion
tangerine_sedge said:
Scuffers said:
Mojooo said:
At least proper dodgy imiigrants make a proper effort to stay here unlike these geezer!
with respect, why should he have to?he's from UK parents, lived here since 3, what possible bulls
t paperwork is required to explain this?Scuffers said:
people are more important than a bit of paper FFS, why 8 years ago did the home office not just sort this out? it must be obvious from his school history, working history, etc.
Perhaps the documentary evidence they need *is* stuff like payslips, list of schools attended etc etc. You know, the stuff that this guy didn't provide for 8 years.Scuffers said:
the system is supposed to work for the people, not the other way round.
It is working for the people, i.e. me & you. It's stopping people from living here that have no right to. I'm amazed that this took 8 years before threatening to deport him.nyxster said:
If you are reading this and happen to work for the Home Office, please slap yourself, once you've done that, please slap one of your colleagues. Once you've done that, throw the rulebook out of the window, resign and join the rest of the working population capable of applying common sense to your daily job.
And if the bloke was black or Muslim would you all still be championing his case? Just wondered, that's all folks......Scuffers said:
so, your telling me that the state has no records of him being at school, applying for a driving licence, getting married, having an NI number, paying taxes, etc etc?
.. because it's the job of government to read his mind and look for all the required paperwork?Manc Man: "why are you throwing me out of the country (like)?"
Civil Servant: "you are not a UK citizen - we warned you about this in 2007 and you should have applied for a passport"
Manc Man: "but I got all the paperwork - what's the matter with you man?"
Civil Servant: "actually you're right - we didn't bother looking for all YOUR documentation and shouldn't have assumed that just because you didn't bother applying for a passport in the 8 years you didn't actually want to be a UK citizen"
Manc Man: "it's f
king commonsense man"Civil Servant: "sorry, we'll send you a passport next week - it was our mistake for following procedures. whilst we're at it you also don't have a driving license - do you want us to get one of those for you as well?"
Edited by fido on Wednesday 25th March 19:02
Scuffers said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Scuffers said:
Mojooo said:
At least proper dodgy imiigrants make a proper effort to stay here unlike these geezer!
with respect, why should he have to?he's from UK parents, lived here since 3, what possible bulls
t paperwork is required to explain this?Scuffers said:
people are more important than a bit of paper FFS, why 8 years ago did the home office not just sort this out? it must be obvious from his school history, working history, etc.
Perhaps the documentary evidence they need *is* stuff like payslips, list of schools attended etc etc. You know, the stuff that this guy didn't provide for 8 years.Scuffers said:
the system is supposed to work for the people, not the other way round.
It is working for the people, i.e. me & you. It's stopping people from living here that have no right to. I'm amazed that this took 8 years before threatening to deport him.xjsdriver said:
And if the bloke was black or Muslim would you all still be championing his case? Just wondered, that's all folks......
Why did you wonder? Are you obsessed with outing every commentator as some sort of closet racist? He has a British mother. If he had a British father he'd have automatically qualified for british citizenship from birth.What is unjust is the hereditary ruling that means only paternal lineage carried citizenship, not maternal.
You're are actually proving yourself more bigoted than most commentators, suggesting him be a less worthy case he would have to be black OR a Muslim. What if he was a black Muslim, what if he was a White Muslim?
His mother was a british citizen, giving her a clear tie to the country, if we had any sort of sensible laws her children would also be British citizens by birthright in equality with paternal right.
That's my argument with the situation. It wouldn't change if he was a member of the moonies.
fido said:
.. because it's the job of government to read his mind and look for all the required paperwork?
Manc Man: "why are you throwing me out of the country (like)?"
Civil Servant: "you are not a UK citizen - we warned you about this in 2007 and you should have applied for a passport"
Manc Man: "but I got all the paperwork - what's the matter with you man?"
Civil Servant: "actually you're right - we didn't bother looking for all YOUR documentation and shouldn't have assumed that just because you didn't bother applying for a passport in the 8 years you didn't actually want to be a UK citizen"
Manc Man: "it's fking commonsense man"
Civil Servant: "sorry, we'll send you a passport next week - it was our mistake for following procedures. whilst we're at it you also don't have a driving license - do you want us to get one of those for you as well?"
To be fair, we only have the Home Offices word on this, it's entirely possible they're the ones talking complete sManc Man: "why are you throwing me out of the country (like)?"
Civil Servant: "you are not a UK citizen - we warned you about this in 2007 and you should have applied for a passport"
Manc Man: "but I got all the paperwork - what's the matter with you man?"
Civil Servant: "actually you're right - we didn't bother looking for all YOUR documentation and shouldn't have assumed that just because you didn't bother applying for a passport in the 8 years you didn't actually want to be a UK citizen"
Manc Man: "it's f
king commonsense man"Civil Servant: "sorry, we'll send you a passport next week - it was our mistake for following procedures. whilst we're at it you also don't have a driving license - do you want us to get one of those for you as well?"
Edited by fido on Wednesday 25th March 19:02
t.If nothing else, the home office are doing themselves no favours allowing this to get to the media whilst we are unable/unwilling to deport genuine illegals and those from medieval backwaters that would prefer us dead.
Colour has nothing to do with this, and to suggest so says more about the accusers on here than the supposed bigots.
Colour has nothing to do with this, and to suggest so says more about the accusers on here than the supposed bigots.
Oakey said:
To be fair, we only have the Home Offices word on this, it's entirely possible they're the ones talking complete st.
You seriously think that if this chap had proof he'd sent the forms in or otherwise sorted it out that there wouldn't be a photo of his glum stupid mug in the paper holding copies/proof up? t.He's been playing fast and loose with the rules for whatever reason and is now paying the consequences. If he had all the proof together wouldn't he have been far better off running through it with the authorities before 6th April rather than running to the press? Moreover wouldn't he have tried hard to get his employer's 15k fine sorted (and had a photo of both of them with their best sad faces in the rag)?
There's a serious whiff of dual standards from some posters here. How long someone has been resident for, how many jobs they've had or, frankly, where one of his parents are from is irrelevant. The rules in place are there to benefit the rest of the 99.999999% of the population.
It would have taken a few hours at some point in the last 53yrs to resolve easily without seeing tragic photos in a regional paper. Far too many holes in the story to have any sympathy. And it wouldn't surprise me if the immigration people felt the same way.
Bill said:
tangerine_sedge said:
He's the one that wants British citizenship, he can provide the proof. It's not for the state to guess who he may or may not be.
The state should have nannied him, found his paperwork and sorted it out. 
I can't believe anyone is arguing he's not at fault here.
FFS how many seconds would it take the Home Office to verify?
Yes, I am sure he has not exactly helped himself, but if you have ever seen Home Office paperwork, I can well imagine him thinking why am I filling this stuff in for.
seems like a classic case of computer says NO.
nyxster said:
Why did you wonder? Are you obsessed with outing every commentator as some sort of closet racist? He has a British mother. If he had a British father he'd have automatically qualified for british citizenship from birth.
What is unjust is the hereditary ruling that means only paternal lineage carried citizenship, not maternal.
You're are actually proving yourself more bigoted than most commentators, suggesting him be a less worthy case he would have to be black OR a Muslim. What if he was a black Muslim, what if he was a White Muslim?
His mother was a british citizen, giving her a clear tie to the country, if we had any sort of sensible laws her children would also be British citizens by birthright in equality with paternal right.
That's my argument with the situation. It wouldn't change if he was a member of the moonies.
I'm suggesting nothing of the sort, but that others on here may see him as less worthy, just to clear up any confusion you have.What is unjust is the hereditary ruling that means only paternal lineage carried citizenship, not maternal.
You're are actually proving yourself more bigoted than most commentators, suggesting him be a less worthy case he would have to be black OR a Muslim. What if he was a black Muslim, what if he was a White Muslim?
His mother was a british citizen, giving her a clear tie to the country, if we had any sort of sensible laws her children would also be British citizens by birthright in equality with paternal right.
That's my argument with the situation. It wouldn't change if he was a member of the moonies.
Scuffers said:
on the other hand, what happened to the state providing the evidence that he is an illegal immigrant? you know, innocent until proven guilty?
FFS how many seconds would it take the Home Office to verify?
Yes, I am sure he has not exactly helped himself, but if you have ever seen Home Office paperwork, I can well imagine him thinking why am I filling this stuff in for.
seems like a classic case of computer says NO.
He isn't a British citizen. He's entitled to be a British citizen. He was asked to fill in the forms 8 years ago, and repeatedly since, and hasn't. He's wasting their time and, by extension, our money because he's lazy and/or an idiot.FFS how many seconds would it take the Home Office to verify?
Yes, I am sure he has not exactly helped himself, but if you have ever seen Home Office paperwork, I can well imagine him thinking why am I filling this stuff in for.
seems like a classic case of computer says NO.
Why are you defending him?
Bill said:
Scuffers said:
on the other hand, what happened to the state providing the evidence that he is an illegal immigrant? you know, innocent until proven guilty?
FFS how many seconds would it take the Home Office to verify?
Yes, I am sure he has not exactly helped himself, but if you have ever seen Home Office paperwork, I can well imagine him thinking why am I filling this stuff in for.
seems like a classic case of computer says NO.
He isn't a British citizen. He's entitled to be a British citizen. He was asked to fill in the forms 8 years ago, and repeatedly since, and hasn't. He's wasting their time and, by extension, our money because he's lazy and/or an idiot.FFS how many seconds would it take the Home Office to verify?
Yes, I am sure he has not exactly helped himself, but if you have ever seen Home Office paperwork, I can well imagine him thinking why am I filling this stuff in for.
seems like a classic case of computer says NO.
Why are you defending him?
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