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DJRC said:
The political parties are voting to keep Cameron out of No 10? Eh?
Right, well whenever you have sorted out your English syntax into whatever it is you thought you wanted to say let us know, in the meantime Ill try and put my point across again because, well frankly, Id made sense.
The
Country
Isn't
Voting
Ed
Into
No 10.
Got it? Cameron, Clegg, Wee Eck, Sturgeon, Farage, the Green bird...all irrelevant. The simple...really really really...simple point is that the 15% of so of the voting demographic who make up the floating voter mob are going to pause in front of the paper holding the pencil and remember Ed. They are going to remember that they think he is a prat. Weak, incompetent, silly looking, silly minded,, silly sounding, wet lettuce prat. And then they are going to vote for anyone else. It may or may not be CMD, Farage, Clegg, etc but it won't be Ed. Yes, yes, some of them will actually give a f
k who their MP will be, but 99% of them won't. It will be about who is delivered into No 10. And it won't be Ed.
The bits in bold are correct. They also undermine your conclusion. Right, well whenever you have sorted out your English syntax into whatever it is you thought you wanted to say let us know, in the meantime Ill try and put my point across again because, well frankly, Id made sense.
The
Country
Isn't
Voting
Ed
Into
No 10.
Got it? Cameron, Clegg, Wee Eck, Sturgeon, Farage, the Green bird...all irrelevant. The simple...really really really...simple point is that the 15% of so of the voting demographic who make up the floating voter mob are going to pause in front of the paper holding the pencil and remember Ed. They are going to remember that they think he is a prat. Weak, incompetent, silly looking, silly minded,, silly sounding, wet lettuce prat. And then they are going to vote for anyone else. It may or may not be CMD, Farage, Clegg, etc but it won't be Ed. Yes, yes, some of them will actually give a f
k who their MP will be, but 99% of them won't. It will be about who is delivered into No 10. And it won't be Ed.If the floaters coalesce around a single alternative, Miliband won't win. If they fracture across a number of alternatives, as seems much more probable right now, Labour's vote will hold to within a couple of percentage points of the Tories. And with the voting boundaries as they are, that hands a win to Ed. It may be a minority Government, but it will be a Government nonetheless. With Miliband as PM, and Balls in No 11.
The Tories will then go into infighting mode, one of the things they do best, and will be a weak opposition. The boundaries will never be changed with a Labour Government. Bear in mind that Cameron could not get an outright majority even after the giant financial meltdown. Just consider how bad things will have to be under a future Labour government before a majority Tory government has a chance of being elected.
So whilst I'd like to take your prediction to the bank, I'm really not anywhere near as optimistic as you that it will eventuate.
mikal83 said:
Tories will win.
Lib Dems will lose a lot of seats.
Tories will again form a coalition with everyone bar Labour and the SNP and st fein.
If the polls are right then the Lib Dems will indeed lose a lot of seats and SNP will gain a significant number of seats. The big problem for the Tories is that even if they wanted a coalition with the Lib Dems and UKIP this still wouldn't give them a majority in the HoC. It is likely that Labour could achieve a majority if it went into a coalition with the SNP, Greens and Plaid Cymru. I know Milliband has previously said that he wouldn't have any SNP MP's in his cabinet but I wouldn't bet on this being the case. All this is based on the latest polls. Interesting times.Lib Dems will lose a lot of seats.
Tories will again form a coalition with everyone bar Labour and the SNP and s
t fein. I think the most likely outcome will be a minority Government led by Labour.
Ecosseven said:
mikal83 said:
Tories will win.
Lib Dems will lose a lot of seats.
Tories will again form a coalition with everyone bar Labour and the SNP and st fein.
If the polls are right then the Lib Dems will indeed lose a lot of seats and SNP will gain a significant number of seats. The big problem for the Tories is that even if they wanted a coalition with the Lib Dems and UKIP this still wouldn't give them a majority in the HoC. It is likely that Labour could achieve a majority if it went into a coalition with the SNP, Greens and Plaid Cymru. I know Milliband has previously said that he wouldn't have any SNP MP's in his cabinet but I wouldn't bet on this being the case. All this is based on the latest polls. Interesting times.Lib Dems will lose a lot of seats.
Tories will again form a coalition with everyone bar Labour and the SNP and s
t fein. I think the most likely outcome will be a minority Government led by Labour.
The spectre of a minority Labour government relying on support from the SNP should be enough to see the tories over the line.
Wills2 said:
Surely the DUP would support a tory/lib government they have 9 seats so the tories and liberals need to do better than the polls suggest but still doable.
The spectre of a minority Labour government relying on support from the SNP should be enough to see the tories over the line.
Agree. Just the though of any SNP politician bulking up the Scottish banks/bennies/coffers should send a shudder down every English/Welsh/NI mans spine. The spectre of a minority Labour government relying on support from the SNP should be enough to see the tories over the line.
groucho said:
The Sunday Times headline...."Labour race into 4-point lead after Miliband's TV success"
This country has gone mad. SUCCESS??? Perhaps I'm going mad and watched a different program.
Yep I was surprised at this but its a 4% swing towards Labour from Tory following the first TV debate. This country has gone mad. SUCCESS??? Perhaps I'm going mad and watched a different program.
groucho said:
We're in the st, aren't we?
Yup.t, aren't we? Had a long conversation with my father last night about me returning to the UK in around 5 years for a bit to retire and allow my wife (happily long time married) to gain her Brit passport before we bugger off and start travelling.
I simply said that if Labour get in, I'm not sure there will be anything to go back to in 5 years time and if there is anything left it will be a smoldering clusterf
k of epic proportions.Asterix said:
It really does boggle the mind. I can only assume that 38% of the population really are as thick as pig st. I mean really, really, stupid.
IMO The current incarnation of Labour doesn't do much to attract floating voters at all - but there's such a number of people who would vote for Labour even if the leader was a potted plant and their only policy was "kill everybody" that their vote is holding up despite the current political climate. t. I mean really, really, stupid.There are now so many options for people on the left that if people really were thinking about who they were voting for I think the vote would be spread out a little more.
Asterix said:
It really does boggle the mind. I can only assume that 38% of the population really are as thick as pig st. I mean really, really, stupid.
We'd be lucky if it was as low as 38%.t. I mean really, really, stupid.A pal of mine who is old school Labour recently used the expression 'F;;ck the shareholders,' in reponse to some news item.
A week or two later he asked my advice on his pension fund. It was not showing the level of predicted pension he was hoping for. This pal is holds down a senior post and is bright enough. But trying to explain to him the relationship between profits and pensions was almost impossible.
Labour: Profits are bad. Simple as that.
davepoth said:
IMO The current incarnation of Labour doesn't do much to attract floating voters at all - but there's such a number of people who would vote for Labour even if the leader was a potted plant and their only policy was "kill everybody" that their vote is holding up despite the current political climate.
Tory voters are no different, worse even.
NailedOn said:
We'd be lucky if it was as low as 38%.
A pal of mine who is old school Labour recently used the expression 'F;;ck the shareholders,' in reponse to some news item.
A week or two later he asked my advice on his pension fund. It was not showing the level of predicted pension he was hoping for. This pal is holds down a senior post and is bright enough. But trying to explain to him the relationship between profits and pensions was almost impossible.
Labour: Profits are bad. Simple as that.
Did you explain to him that G Brown stealth taxes stripped £50billion from pension funds and continues to this day -- so why he black hole or oddly enough a similar value....A pal of mine who is old school Labour recently used the expression 'F;;ck the shareholders,' in reponse to some news item.
A week or two later he asked my advice on his pension fund. It was not showing the level of predicted pension he was hoping for. This pal is holds down a senior post and is bright enough. But trying to explain to him the relationship between profits and pensions was almost impossible.
Labour: Profits are bad. Simple as that.
I've family members who are staunch labour too yet come to me about £ questions and then its oh yea but that's only for the bankers nasty bankers (always saying it twice the second time replacing the B for W).
Mindless - though they are very bright all first class degree.
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